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US accuses China of backing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
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It would be so amazingly fantastic if the West had any moral credibility left, because it is true that in the case of Ukraine, the West is actually preaching the right thing: a rules based international order, where nations have the right to self determination and other countries don't get to arbitrarily decide whether you have the right to exist. Like, exactly what Palestinians need.
If there is one thing the unwavering support for the Israeli Genocide in Gaza from the likes of the US, UK and Germany has done was completelly burn their moral credibility.
Nobody outside a very small political circle jerk of hard neolibs and fascists (applauded by their mindless tribalist useful idiots) around the US pays any attention to any criticism of other nations by this US Administration.
Further, I suspect this doesn't just apply in the "Global South" but also in most of Europe (as both the Brits and the Germans are atypical, though for different reasons, and there are a lot of europeans who, for some "strange reason" have an instinctive hate of larger more powerfull nations murdering people in weaker nations).
Way to blow up your soft power to help out a bunch of murderous radical Fascists in a Middle Eastern Theocracy commiting Genocide along etnic lines.
I think many of us paying attention over the long term have realized that the US pretty much never had the right to even claim moral credibility. Whether evidenced by our treatment of our own citizens or our constant involvement in other countries we have corporate business "interests" with. We constantly destabilize and overthrow other countries for our corporate "masters."
I think honest people want to believe the best of others, and the US under Biden got a lot of "he's not the same as the others" goodwill up until the point he gave unwavering support to people that were mass murdering their neighbours in the most violent racist way possible, comparable only with the Nazis.
It's pretty hard to come across as a Humanitarian or ever just "not a Racist" when you're excusing a Genocide because the nation comitting it has a certain majority etnic makeup and that's exactly were not just the US but the UK, Germany and to a lesser externt some European countries went.
Personally I wasn't at all surprised by the US or the UK's position but was about Germany. Clearly Germany's "never again" wasn't the Humanitarian version - "never again shall people be killed for their etnicity" - but the racist version - "never again shall our nation do this to Jews (not people in general but a very specific etnicity)" - which not only explains their "unwavering support for the Jewish Nation" but also the "strange" detail that the etnicity that was even more victimized by the Nazis - the Roma, aka Gypsies - post-War never received Germany's unwavering support: guess some "etnics" never stopped being untermenschen.
Being from a Southern European country - Portugal - and having lived in The Netherlands, before all this I assumed that the Dutch tendency to "try and be fair to other people" was also shared by their "High German" speaking neighbours. I was wrong, so very incredibly wrong!
Yeah Ukraine was a bit of a departure from the norm. It was a "wait, are we the good guys for once?" moment.
The difference is that Ukraine didn't attack russia.... Palestine would wipe Israel and every jew off the planet if they had the ability to. Not saying what Israel is doing is right, but acting like the other side is without fault is disingenuous.
Yea, that's a super racist statement right there.
There's a conflating the goals of Hamas with the goal of Palestinian people here. Just because the majority of Palestinians support Hamas doesn't mean they all do.
Also Hamas is not a monolith, same as the IRA wasn't. So even if now a majority of Palestinians say the "support Hamas" that doesn't mean they are supporting indiscriminate killing of Israeli civilians or even the destruction of Israel. A senior guy of theirs just came out suggesting they would be willing to disarm if a two state solution on the '67 borders was enacted. Things are always complicated. Same as not all Israelis, or even not all Israeli right wingers, are not genocidal maniacs like Ben Gvir, Palestinian hardliners are also complex. Peace is made with enemies.
There is no such thing as a "religion of peace". There are buddhist violent extremists. There were even anabaptist violent extremists.
There are people who use religion to bring peace and healing, and there are people who use religion to bring discord and hatred. You are doing the latter.
This has almost nothing to do with Islam. They were ejected from their lands and then shoved into tightly controlled areas while being denied the right to exist as their own country. They are terrorists fighting for their independence.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Has never rung more true than for the Palestinians. I won't argue that they aren't committing acts of terror, they absolutely are, but it's not purely bloodlust for the sake of their religion. It's the only thing they have left as the entire world failed them.
They're now stuck (HAMAS) with an asshat of a leader though that also seems to be refusing compromise. It's all the land they want and for Israel to go away or fuck off completely.
I never once said I agree with Israel. Western nations should have never done what they did creating the state, but to act like Hamas wouldn't wipe Israel off the face of the earth in the name of religion is naive.
Removed, Islamophobia.
I believe you and I have had this discussion before, and no, you cannot paint 1.9 billion people with the "they're all violent" brush.
I'm not though, I'm stating the religion is violent. I don't understand this disillusioned thought that many of you have that the religion isn't a violent and oppressive one. The same people defending it right now, are the same ones that attack and paint other religions with a brush.
There are 1.9 BILLION adherents to that religion. If the religion itself were the problem, the world would be awash in blood. It's NOT.
Do you adhear to that same logic with gun owners?
Supporting any religion that murders lgbtq+ persons, forces marriage and rape to minors and kills no believers is not a problem to you?
And the entire middle east and a large portion of Africa are awash in blood because of this religion.
Also why are you removing links to actual facts now?
You all say you're intolerant of the intolerant, but here you are defending a religion that is intolerant...
Your post was removed for continued Islamophobia and it doesn't matter how many links you provide because the vast majority of the 1.9 BILLION Muslims in the world ARE NOT VIOLENT.
For guns, I absolutely do make the same argument. Take the AR-15 for example, notorious villain in anti-gun communities, ban worthy, etc. etc.
https://www.everytown.org/press/the-ar-15-is-the-weapon-of-choice-for-mass-shooters-its-time-to-reinstate-the-bipartisan-congressional-assault-weapons-ban/
"The AR-15 is the Weapon of Choice for Mass Shooters."
Best estimate is there are over 20 million of them in the United States. I saw another estimate putting it around 44 million.
Problem: The vast majority of mass shootings do not involve an AR-15. Pistols are far easier to obtain and conceal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2024
So what you're telling me is that the religion of islam is a peaceful one? That doesn't kill LGBTQ+ people, that allows them to exist, that doesn't stone women or have honor killings or is fine with womens rights?
All of these things you're under the impression that Islam tolerates?
Everything that i have posted has been against the religion, that's not islamophobia. I say the same shit about christians and they're diddling of kids, but I'm betting I wouldn't be called out for being christianphobia if I did though.
Also i forgot you're actually one of the sane gun owners around here... I will say others who are posting here are %100 not in agreement with you on this though. All gun owners to them are baby killers.
I'm saying the vast, vast majority of the 1.9 billion people who identify as Muslim are, in fact, peaceful people. If they weren't, the problems with religious violence would be a million times worse.
Yea everyone you disagree with is hitler. Got it...way to move a conversation along.
If Ukraine has a right to defend itself against foreign aggression, so does Palestine, especially after decades of genocide. Israel is the aggressor, just like Russia.
And Palestine didn't attack Israel. Israel never allowed for a Palestine. But a history of apartheid, check. History of land grabs and illegal settlements, check. History of dehumanizing an entire people, check.
We get it, you are all for dehumanizing billions of people and refuse to address the genocide, murder of women and children, mass graves, literally creating famine, cutting off food and water, happening right here and now, right in front of you. Because these are not people to you. Instead you want to direct people to some imaginary hypothetical of what someone 'would do'.
Hamas is the gov in Palestine. This is like saying the usa didn't attack Afghanistan or Iraq...just our gov did.
And no where have I said that what Israel is doing is right, but I'm not under some delusional ignorance that hamas wouldn't happily wipe Israel off the map if it had the means.
That's the difference between understanding what Islamic regimes create and thinking if no one touched them they magically would be peaceful.
Ignoring the level of violence that is brought on by Islamic regimes is naive. You're so afraid of calling out their bigotry and violence that you're willing to give them a pass. You seem to just want to ignore the level of bigotry that is done in the name of that religion.
You speak in hypotheticals fueled by hate. Ignoring all the violence perpetrated by many peoples.
You're filled with hate amigo, all towards a single belief system. Meanwhile Russia has invaded Ukraine, and civilians, women and children a plenty are being slaughtered in Gaza in the here and now, not some imaginary hypothetical.
That's some great whataboutism. Yea other people are also violent, that doesn't subtract from the fact that islam as a religion is one of violence.
I would say it is a BIG difference in comparing wars