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Biden Bans the Use of Fossil Fuels in New Federal Buildings
(finance.yahoo.com)
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voting for a government that's enabling a genocide is voting for that genocide to continue, no matter how you decide to answer on a poll
We're in a representative democracy that takes a couple years for all elected positions within a government to change completely assuming every person in said government was voted out. So I ask you, why the fuck would you assume massive change of policy and position within a year? Especially since support for Israel was pretty widespread for the better part of eighty years.
why would you assume a change of policy at all over any timescale if you keep electing people propping up a genocide?
Did ya fucken read my comment, most Americans werent aware of the genocide up until relatively recently. Even then traction against Israel has only built up within less than a fucken year, and I shall restate that the US has been backing Israel for longer than most people have been alive at this point. Why the fuck would you expect substantial change before theres even been an election.
why would you expect substantial change at any point if you re-elect a party after they spent a year propping up a genocide?
Bit of a shit situation is what I call it, we have two parties who are worth shit. One is violently genocidal both at home and abroad, while the other is only mildly genocidal abroad. Sorry to break it to you mate but there is only one effective choice.
And before ya come at me, imma just gonna point out that I fucken hate this fact. Im a socialist Redneck my ilk have been dealing with shit deals for over a hundred years, but the reason there are socialist Rednecks still around is cause pragmatism is a far more effective tool than throwing a hissy fit and checking out.
I dont like the shit pie but its far more effective than standing up and letting the shaped charage under my ass go off.
continuing to vote for the mildly genocidal party is not going to make the mildly genocidal party less genocidal
It can if ya vote in the primaries. The fact of the matter is that the parties didnt switch back in the 50s for no reason. The people winning the primaries swapped.
an incumbent has literally never lost a primary
biden was always more or less guaranteed to be the democratic nominee if he wanted to be
And your fucken point. Shit can change it just takes work. Though in this case it was quite unlikely, but nothing is stagnant perhaps if given enough work and the right circumstances we'll get a socdem as president. But alas I am simply reiterating my point.
I will reiterate one of my previous points, Trump and his ilk are genocidal both at home and abroad, and frankly speaking those folks in Palestine were fucked the second the old Palestinian organizations were surplanted by Hamas. This means to me that the math is simple genocide at home and abroad or no genocide at home and a possible cessation of said genocide abroad. It may seem shit but the math is pretty clear on what needs to be done.
for the immediate next election cycle, yes
for the next time there's a palestine, very much no
Palestine is a relatively unique situation. Reminder a lot of boomers grew up knowing folks who experienced the holocaust, this creates a relatively annoying situation where they dont want to repeat the past which causes near unilateral support for Israel. It aint a position reached by logic or reason but by raw and very stupid emotions. Also the weird ass Christians trying to start Armageddon, but I want to lock them in a church and burn it down morals be damned because they legit fucking scare me and also piss me off.
My point is that this situation is pretty fucken unique. For fucks sake the US is giving a good bit of support to Armenia and the Armenians are nominally aligned with fucken Russia and against Turkey our ally, mind you the Turks have the same ability as the English with pissing everyone off.
I'm genuinely surprised you kept talking to them after it was clear they're arguing in bad faith.
Im a Scottish descended Redneck, im stubborn and dense enough that one of my preferred tactics in a fight is to headbutt. I will outlast even the most bad faith motherfucker due to these two reasons.
palestine is a unique situation? buddy there's literally three attempted genocides going on at the moment. it's not unique by any stretch of the imagination
Politically unique to the US.
Not really. In detail, maybe, but there will always be an excuse available to avoid committing US resources to any given genocide.
Yes, but non-committal is different from active assistance for eighty plus years. Without the whole eighty plus years of support for the genociders its a lot easier to get to the help the people getting genocided. Hell I would say even with that some countries are on far thinner ice compared to Israel, like Turkey.
that's the thing though, they don't need to "get help to" palestine, they just need to stop actively supporting israel in its genocide
you think the appetite is going to be there for actually committing resources somewhere when they can't even just do nothing?
The problem is that diplomacy and foreign policy have weight and momentum, to even get to the do nothing stage you first have to kill said momentum to enough of a degree so as to seperate oneself. Its shit but its always been true, politics and diplomacy are rarely ever simple, even Rome had to play diplomacy with the Persians.
rome famously neglected diplomacy, but in either case once you get rid of the mental gymnastics your argument boils down to "it's too hard so we shouldn't try"
If thats what you take from it sure, but my point im trying to convey is that shit like this is slow to change. Itll take time and effort regardless but with Israel in particular there are decades of momentum behind backing them. As I said in another comment a lot of Boomers for example back Israel because there were a quite a few holocaust survivors kicking around and the concept of not backing Israel became a taboo.
To do nothing on the issue requires breaking a taboo and while not impossible it will take time regardless. If anything id say its breaking faster than id expect.
and my point is that it's not going to change unless people attempt to change it
it's literally the same argument that gets wheeled out any time there's pressure for social change, then when things finally change we all look back in 10 years and ask ourselves how the hell we ever tolerated the old way of doing things
if you want to vote biden because you think the short term benefits of avoiding trump for another 4 years outweigh the long term drawbacks of further entrenching the same status quo that led to palestine, fine
just don't pretend that you never had any choice in the matter
You've got one side sending food and clean water while the other side advocates Netanyahu "finish the job", but sure "both sides bad" about it all you want.
Relatively small amounts of food and water and billions in weapons for the people attacking them...
10 US Naval Ships dedicated exclusively to aid to Gaza probably beats the 10 Bn Military Aid.
Nothing will stop you believing that, I guess.
Weird way to resign from an argument, but I feel it.
I mean, you're clearly not willing to be rational on this, or you would never have brought it up.
What do you want me to do, waste my time researching the daily operating costs? Spend hours hunting sources you'll just tl;Dr?
What's the point? Even if you're right, it's irrelevant.
What costs more, a bullet, or the medical care to recover from being shot? How much credit do you want to give someone for killing a hundred people while forcing a thousand out of their homes just because they only almost let the thousand starve to death in a refugee camp run by rapists?
you can talk around it with all the mental gymnastics you like, but ultimately voting for biden is a signal to the democratic party that their base doesn't care about genocide enough to not vote for him, which is all they care about
And not voting for Biden resulting in a Trump victory signals an immediate end to Palestinians, among many other horrible atrocities to come as the US declines into a mix of Plutocracy and Evangelical Theocracy.
implying palestine will last until january
oh ho ho
if you're fine with the trade off, make the trade off and vote biden
just don't pretend the trade off isn't happening
There is urgency for every single life at risk in this conflict, but it's not debateable that Palestine absolutely will exist in January and that the differences in US Admin could very well be the difference of hundreds of thousands of lives following the election.
i don't think the current round of genocide will last until january, no, whether or not a state called palestine is left standing or not
you're trading in the lives of the next palestine