This is your meme page banner db0. You should probably take it to heart more. You claim to be anti-ML but Lenin is right there in the image as is Angela Davis and Che Guevara. (hexbear.net)

submitted 6 months ago by Nakoichi@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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So are you guys anti-tankie (whatever that even means anymore) or not? Cuz you have Lenin in this image.

Are you Trotskyists? Cuz that would track with this image.

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago

If we're trying to analyze this, it's worth noting that Lenin is in the place of Judas.

On a personal level, Che was an admirable guy, but from a tactical and theoretical standpoint he was really misguided and it ultimately lead to his death. Lionizing him while villifying Fidel (it's conspicuous that Fidel is excluded here) is disparaging Che's greatest accomplishments in favor of glorified adventurism.

[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

from a tactical and theoretical standpoint he was really misguided and it ultimately lead to his death

Would you mind elaborating? It's not that I don't believe you, but I always thought (perhaps mistakenly) that Che was known for being highly educated in ML theory and literally wrote the (or at least a) book on guerrilla tactics. Obviously he made some massive and ultimately fatal mistakes in Bolivia, but I thought that was more because he misunderstood the political situation (the material circumstances) there. Like, he was wrong about how things were and what was going on in Bolivia at that moment, but that it wasn't a failure in his understanding of theory or tactics so much as their misapplication to the specific circumstances. Is that incorrect? Am I just splitting hairs?

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is the difference between tactics and strategy. Che was an accomplished fighter and leader, but he took the wrong lesson from the massive W of the Cuban Revolution. He applied the guerilla foco theory dogmatically (out of personal desire to fight for the revolution), rather than adapting the strategy to the conditions he faced. So you're not incorrect, but that misapplication is crucial. It failed in the Congo and it really failed in Bolivia.