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Ghost of Tsushima, on Steam, will be unavailable in countries without PSN
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How about you stop licking Sony's boots and accept that it's not a viable solution to tell people "the only way to consume this media is for you to be in constant danger of being banned"?
They can remove your access to the game. That is unacceptable from a consumer rights perspective.
Not licking anybody’s boots here, just trying to point out that the issue wasn’t as bad as people love to make it out to be. Go make a psn account in another region. See if Sony actually cares.
What if earnings don't go up enough next quarter, and they see this as an opportunity to make more money? What if they expand PSN coverage and start enforcing their ToS then? You're giving people advice that will likely result in them losing access to their purchases in the future. That's bootlicking to me.
Who said anything about earnings? What are you on about?
Sony is a public company. Companies exist to make money. If Sony thinks they can get more money by banning ToS-breaking PSN accounts (since people would have to buy games again to play them), they'll do so.
Why do you think companies exist?
It would take a special kind of stupid to think a customer would come back to buying from you if you did something like that, but sure. If your hypothetical situation were actually possible, a corporation would probably do it.
Besides, aren’t we talking about PC players who aren’t even buying from Sony?
Please explain to me how this situation is not possible. You've been obviously wrong before without looking things up, so I'd love an actual explanation beyond "nu-uh". It takes a special kind of stupid to think that children who want to play their favorite games wouldn't re-buy them if access were taken away, especially if it was "their fault" for "breaking ToS".
You're absolutely right - the publisher of a game has zero income from any purchases. How could I be so stupid to forget that all publishers are doing their work for the good of the people, they would NEVER take a single cent from any purchase. Sony happens to be the publisher of the games we're talking about, but THEY WOULD NEVER.
Customer buys a bunch of games from the PS Store using a foreign account. Now let’s say your hypothetical plays through and Sony for some stupid reason decides to care where the customer actually lives, bans them, and removes access to their games. What does the customer do? Make a new account and buy more games from PS? Nope. They go buy from Steam.
Right… So anyway, I’m talking about where you buy a game from, not who makes it. On PC, your PSN account itself isn’t tied to your purchases, just PS services like trophy and friends lists, right? Exclusively PC players don’t actually have much to care about there, right? On PC, if your psn account gets removed, what’s stopping you from just making a new one?
No, customer buys a bunch of games from Steam, and links their Steam account to a foreign PSN account. Sony bans them, and the player can't play their Playstation games on Steam games online anymore.
Sony. Their whole argument for introducing the PSN requirement to Helldivers was the ability to ban hackers and the like. This wouldn't make any sense if you could just switch the PSN account. They can ban your purchase, even when you bought it on Steam. That's the whole point.
You can’t just unlink your PlayStation account from your Steam account? I bought Red Dead online for Steam and rockstar wouldn’t let me log into my old rockstar account because the email account I had originally used years back when linking to PlayStation was an old one I had deleted since, and had no access to verify. They just told me to start over with a new rockstar account, unlink the old one from PlayStation, and link the new one to it. Same exact thing for a Ubisoft game I also bought on steam. What makes this different from that? Does steam not let you unlink accounts?
My rewards and rockstar status were boned, but nothing affected my save data.
We've been over this before... Sony is a company. Companies exist to make money. Sony controls whether you can unlink an account. Sony can choose not to let you unlink your account.
Do you think everyone else is just stupid, and no hacker ever thought of unlinking their account and creating a new one? Or Sony is stupid and doesn't realise hackers can create a new account? I don't understand how you completely skip over arguments in the comments you're replying to.
And therein lies the bootlicking. You're assuming Sony will play nice and let you keep playing, no questions asked - while they almost took away the ability to play an online game months after launch for players in hundreds of countries, which was only thwarted by massive protests. Yet you stand there and say "nooo, they'd never do that".
Man I’m so sick of people getting blinded by rage. Alright, if you’re just going to go in circles, I might as well repeat myself as well. Companies exist to make money. If they fuck over their customers, those customers leave. Others follow. Congrats. You lose money. Basic logic 101.
Again, I’m not a bootlicker. I just don’t automatically assume malice when something could more easily explained by incompetence.
Also, way to go ignoring what I said about rockstar and Ubisoft accounts. I guess Sony won’t let you unlink from a steam account based on what, how you feel?
And easily disproven by Sony's recent actions with Helldivers 2. If you were right, they wouldn't have thought about rolling out the PSN requirement, and they'd still sell the game world-wide. But you're not.
When one party gains a monetary advantage through their "incompetence" and keeps repeating such "incompetencies", then yes, you are a bootlicker.
Because it doesn't matter... Come on, this is not that hard.
Sony already has the ability to not let you unlink, as shown from the hacker example. So why are you so sure they won't use the same mechanism to make more money in the future? Because of how you feel? Bootlickers often feel like companies won't do evil things for profit, sadly they are almost always wrong.
Uhhh okay I guess I can’t win with a brain running that kind of logic.
Good day to you sir.
"Whoops, companies keep doing amoral shit to squeeze more profits from their customers, but it's totally accidental, every single time"
Enjoy your boots - I sincerely hope that for every person you influenced towards giving corporations the benefit of the doubt, you lose an equal amount of money through legal yet amoral business practices.