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[-] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 50 points 6 months ago

more like chinese cars were manufactured with child labor with well below average work conditions

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 86 points 6 months ago

And lots and lots of government subsidies.

[-] stembolts@programming.dev 57 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yea, it's the subsidies. The government of China funds questionably profitable companies such that they can sell their products at what would be a loss by any other company, undermining the values of competition in Europe/States.

What does China get out of it? Chinese products distributed globally running Chinese software and sensors which are beholden to the whims of the Chinese Government. They also get to weaken the economies of the target countries.

The United States does similar things with intelligence, but citizens of that country can at least condemn, research, and publish findings against it's own government. What can a Chinese citizen do? Very little except obey.

The United States is also massively flawed when it comes to competition but at least there are theoretical methods for the citizens of that country to change things. If they can destroy the corporate plutocracy currently strangling democracy.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

Communist country figures out how to exploit capitalism better than capitalist country, how poetic.

[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

China isn't a communist country, it's a totalitarian country.

Characterized by a government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control. Totalitarianism is a political system and a form of government that prohibits opposition political parties, disregards and outlaws the political claims of individual and group opposition to the state, and controls the public sphere and the private sphere of society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

Communism is defined as:

political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

[-] stembolts@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Being an open country has upsides and downsides certainly. The same could be said for Russia/China's information war exploiting freedom of speech on those not educated in critical thought.

[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

As if the US doesn't also subsidize and funnel money into specific companies/industries for questionable reasons.

[-] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Did you read their whole comment? They addressed that and pointed it out several times themselves.

[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

All they said is that you are allowed to call it out. Whoopdeedoo. Still happens.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Every car manufacturer receives massive subsidies no matter where they are located.

This is oil money, nothing more, nothing less.

[-] SeaJ@lemm.ee 27 points 6 months ago

You might want to look at some of the loosening child labor laws here in the US. Hyundai's plants have been caught several times using child labor.

I'm not defending China's practices by any means because many are truly horrific but the US is pretty far from perfect in many states.

[-] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

I have actually heard about that and it is very unfortunate. But it is still no match for having Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps and using them as forceful labor (just like how the nazis did with the Jews). Both are horrible, but one is clearly much darker and more disgusing than the other allowing them to make them even cheaper, on top of thr already mentioned chinese government subsidies.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, at least the US uses only their own prisoners as slave labor.

[-] xep@kbin.social -1 points 6 months ago

What-aboutism is amazing, isn't it? There's a response for everything.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

A direct comparison in a direct comparison conversation is not a whataboutism.

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf 8 points 6 months ago
[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Child labour? Care to back up that claim?

[-] schizoidman@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 months ago

Do provide a source that shows Chinese cars are made with child labour.

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