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Sofia "Buff Girlfriend" @sofiabuffgf
Installing a bidet at home was life changing but unfortunately it's transformed pooping on company time from a small proletarian victory into yet another grueling humiliation of inadequate working conditions.
I've used many a bidet, and I had one installed before eventually removing it.
Isn't it kind of gross to have shit-spackled water being sprayed around a larger area of your undercarriage? I enjoy a nice bidet, but it just kind of seemed gross to me. You wipe clean, then whatever fecal matter and microbes are left then get sprayed onto your taint? That doesn't really help things much.
Do what I do: only poop in nearby businesses so you never pollute your toilet, and then immediately come home and take a shower.
The nozzle needs to be constantly sanitized, or you're basically just letting shitty water be sprayed on you. Studies have shown that regular use of a bidet disrupts healthy vaginal microflora.
Pregnant women should especially not use a bidet.
Even a constantly (every use) sanitized bidet is generally less sanitary than proper wiping. Using a spray of water to handle fecal material is very obviously suboptimal. I feel like it's absurd that people need to be told this. You might "feel" cleaner, but you just allowed bacteria a vehicle to spread over a larger area of your body.
Curious why you feel its absurd people need to be told this? Even in the the study you linked, they note in the discussion
Still a concerning study to me, since I'm a habitual bidet user. Fortunately I don't need to worry about vaginal microflora. Furthermore, I could only find this one small study that shows correlation (not necessarily causation), so I'd be hesitant to immediately regard bidets as less sanitary than wiping, especially for men.
Fecal bacteria were detected in 50 of the 268 cases (18.66%), 46 cases in users (92%) and only 4 cases in non-users (8%). Contamination by other pathogens was 4 to 6 times higher in users than in non-users.
It sprays shit around. I guess to me, that just seemed obvious. But I hear what you are saying to me. It even surprised the researchers, so why would I be surprised that other people find it surprising.
I take your point. It seemed very obvious to me after installing one, but I'm being rude by assuming knowledge. Thank you for correcting my attitude.
That's not very nice to say. I'm not being obtuse -- the writers of the article you linked it even said themselves they were surprised that the bidet-users had more fecal matter. I don't poop on my bidet, and regularly clean it. You'd think that the jet of water plus wiping would get more fecal matter off your butt rather than wiping, alone. Dang. I'm just trying to have a conversation.
I corrected that comment almost immediately, and I apologize. You are absolutely right, I was being defensive.
Edit: I'm not an asshole, I swear. I saw that you were honestly engaging and I felt bad immediately and revised the comment as quickly as I could.
I gotchu, it happens. No worries. You've definitely piqued my (admittedly gross) interest -- I'm gonna do some more research after work and I'll look out for your link.
Good luck on zoom!
There are several more studies. That was just the one I was mentioning because it relates to serious health concerns for pregnant women.
For men, perhaps less of an issue, but I'm just generally in favor of keeping fecal matter as localized as possible and cleaning myself regularly. I would never take a shower where the shower head sprays up from the floor, you know what I mean? I wash top down, paying special attention to the stinky and the dirty areas, and I clean myself with the idea that everything I'm washing off is going down, into the drain. Not up, back onto my body.
It's fresh water from the plumbing that gets sprayed on your butt. Like having a butt-exclusive shower with CLEAN water. I don't think you can even buy bidets that recycle shit water to spray your butt. That sounds awfully unhygienic. Are you OK, friend?
Maybe you'd like an original bidet, the ones that are basically just a sink low on the floor so you can wash yourself
I'm being downvoted for pointing out that numerous studies have shown that the bidet is not the hygienic dream you all hoped it was?
You all are some weird people with more funk downstairs than I want to think about.
Directly from the NIH: "Kim et al. conducted a study of high-risk pregnant women with preterm labor and reported that the use of a bidet toilet was associated with abnormal vaginal colonization and increased the rate of preterm labor in high-risk pregnancies."
I assume you all are also anti-vax because of the 5G?
Can you post the link to that study? I wanna read it. Here's one that says almost the opposite:
I'm sorry, I'm in the middle of several zoom meetings and using my 15min breaks between sessions to comment here. If you remind me about this in five hours, I would be happy to link you several studies and a meta analysis.
Please also note that the study you're linking is earlier than the one I've linked, the methodology is generally shoddy, and they, as I recall, directly reference this study in the link I've already provided.
It sounds like you think bidets use water from the toilet bowl, so it's shooting dirty water at you.
That isn't how they work. 🤦♂️
I think they mean it's spreading fecal matter all around from the butthole outward, not spraying with poop water. I'm a guy. I find it ricochets, hitting the backside of my scrotum at times. I figure if you let it go long enough, it's bound to wash the particles off, but can you be sure?