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80 percent of buildings in northern gaza are destroyed and 700000 figure is not any better, genocidal freaks meow-tableflip article behind paywall, can't see it

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago

Didn't palastine/hamas start this war with a completely surprise invasion that gunned down 1200 people, including women and children?

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 86 points 5 months ago

Didn’t Israel/Europeans start this war by occupying Palestine and driving out nearly a million Palestinians then caging 2 million of them in a sliver of land?

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So that justified it?

*edit: I'd like to point out at this moment that the top two replies to this question have equal votes of one saying "yes" and while the other says "no".

The middle east conflict will continue to go on until one side or the other has nothing left.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 66 points 5 months ago

No violence from an oppressed people against their oppressor is unjustified.

Perhaps you should examine why you think those 1200 people are causus belli for what's left of Palestine being turned into a crater after the rest of it was stolen, many of the people living there being expelled, and the remainder treated as stupid savages for decades.

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Lol @ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de thinks you said "No. Violence from an oppressed people against their oppressor is unjustified", not "all violence against the oppressor is justifiable"

*edit: I'd like to point out at this moment that the top two replies to this question have equal votes of one saying "yes" and while the other says "no".
The middle east conflict will continue to go on until one side or the other has nothing left.

We may need to word things more clearly for them in the future.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Nah, I'm gonna be less charitable; I lead my comment with "no", so I'm going to say they're too dumb to read more than a single, monosyllabic word lmao

Reactionaries beyond parody

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 52 points 5 months ago

How come it was noble for the English to "never surrender" and fight back against the Nazis during the Blitz, but Palestinians are just supposed to accept getting ethnically cleansed from their homeland?

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 48 points 5 months ago

So that justified it?

The zionist soldiers killed? Yes. An occupied people has the right to resist.

The zionist cops killed? Yes. An occupied people has the right to resist.

The zionist settlers killed? Yes. An occupied people has the right to resist.

The hundreds of people killed by friendly fire from incompetent and poorly trained zionist troops? Not really the resistance's fault, is it?

The children? No. It is a tragedy that their reckless parents took them to live on stolen land in a war zone.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

*edit: I'd like to point out at this moment that the top two replies to this question have equal votes of one saying "yes" and while the other says "no"

Are you too stupid that you cannot read what Wakmrow and I wrote as both being pro Palestine lmao? You know you have to read past the first word, right?

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 44 points 5 months ago
[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 42 points 5 months ago

From MLK's "The Other America":

...[I]t is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.

You should probably read the full text.

[-] Pentacat@hexbear.net 41 points 5 months ago

Palestine has the right to defend itself.

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 40 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Your edit is wrong as you can not read. The “Middle East conflict” is the Israeli colonization of Palestine, not your imagined cycle of violence

Imagine saying “wow anc so violent, the South African conflict will go on until one side or the other has nothing left.” Absurd, right? Yet because you don’t view Palestinians as human beings who deserve the land and homes ripped from their hands within living memory, you comfort yourself with banalities

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago

So that justified it?

yes-sicko

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago

No violence from an oppressed people against their oppressor is unjustified

Tripped so hard on that double negative your mouth landed directly on your foot.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago

The middle east conflict will continue to go on until one side or the other has nothing left.

Ethnonationalist twaddle. You are literally reiterating the points of fascists.

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Oh comrades, I have a close friend who takes this same ahistorical, atheoretical approach to understanding history and sociology. He thinks he's that much smarter for his enlightened centrist position that any imposition by the state makes life that much worse. As if the thing that attracts him to poor, third world countries is his capacity to bribe officials and be left alone. He fucking hates China because they snubbed real estate investors and home ownership rates are propped up by lies. So it's like you'd never make headway in the argument because China is dishonest, so figures don't matter. Xijiang would meet a similar intellectual wall.

The point is that it's heartbreaking. I like the friend and we have a tight relationship. But then I see them talk like this person posts and they think they're really onto something in understanding how the world should work instead of just slurping down gallons of US state propaganda. It's like they have an atrophied capacity to see that a different state of affairs is not only possible, but being created as we speak. Like imagine having to see this poster do this drivel and then realize that they're the person with whom you confide your most intimate thoughts and feelings.

Honestly, it's a bit generous to this poster because my friend even recognizes the Palestinian struggle as justified against a settler colonial state acting as an appendage of the US war machine. This person probably can't conceptualize the idea that someone whose way of life is more similar to theirs might be the aggressor in a conflict.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

isntrael idf-destroyer

Death to the zionist entity, Palestine will be free

Dunno how the fuck you can support a genocidal colonial regime whose horrific crimes span over a century

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Almost 70 years of displacement, terror and oppression results in some pushback. Violent pushback, because peacefull pushback was gunned down by Isn'treal. Happened not too long ago.

Israel started it in 1947, doubled down 1948 and ever since. The zionist entity made its clear that it will not accept anything but absolute occupation of Palestine, with the ethnic cleansing of the region from palestineans as the end goal.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

Palestinians have the right to defend themselves

[-] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago

I'd like to point out that you should eat my shit and hair

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