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Uhhhh sorry I'm still going to vote against fascism.
You're voting for polite fascism to stop rude fascism.
Biden isn't a fascist and you're an idiot if you think so.
There's a lot more to fascism than you just not liking him.
He's doing genocide.
Netanyahu is doing genocide.
And J'Biden is giving him unlimited bombs and bullets and tank shells to make it possible.
He's also protecting Israel from retaliation from its neighbors and other regional powers.
The genocide would end without US support. You are voting for genocide and I won't let you wash your hands of this.
the genocide would not stop without US support… it has been ongoing with and without their support for quite a while….
really, when they’re low on bombs they start just burning buildings….
see also, the history of the Palestine-Israel conflict:
https://youtu.be/U3by9FoEFB8
Without US support the bombing would stop, but more importantly, all of Israel's neighborhoods would be empowered to step in.
The US attacks the Houthis to protect Israel's economy. What happens if the US declares they will no longer protect Israel?
israel starts firebombing and nuking people… continues to buy weapons from other countries, and takes over more territory in order to defend what they have.
No country can provide as much military aid as the US, we're number one in the world. This is just divorced from material reality.
They're not invincible demons fueled by blood. It's just a relatively small country. They would never survive launching nukes.
what i mean is:
a: they have a considerable arms industry and make quite a lot.
b: they’re quite wealthy and can and do buy weapons.
therefore, it’s not so cut and dry that biden could just stop it….
he sure shouldn’t help arm them, but it’s been going on for quite a while with and without our bombs…
They can't make $3 billion in F-35 fighter jets we're selling them, and who else will sell to them? Russia? Unlikely, they're too involved in Syria for that. China? Too involved with Iran. The EU? I could see Germany going for it, but sentiments are turning against Israel there and I don't see that being viable long term.
It's cut and dry. Biden could stop selling them weapons and, more importantly, stop protecting them from their neighbors. Imagine if Ansar Allah could enforce the Red Sea blockade with impunity because the US told Israel "you're on your own lol" and they couldn't get anything imported as long as the blockade persisted.
You have convinced yourself that nothing can be done and use that as an excuse to support Biden's unlimited support for Israel. That's just a cope. The truth is, this is the US's fault.
you couldn’t be farther from the truth
So you're not saying that Biden has to continue to support Israel because there's nothing he can do?
fuck no! what the hell is wrong with you?
You're the one that said the US is powerless to stop the genocide? And if J'Biden stopped supporting them they'd just go to some other country?
not that the US is powerless, but that it’s not super simple and they can say “ok stop now” and they’ll just up and stop.
not that… why are you hyphenating J’Biden?
do you expect me to take you seriously?
not that they’ll “just go to some other country”, but horribly, they will go to other countries as well as make their own weapons, use the ones they already have stockpiled, and as history has shown, when they are lower on bombs and guided munitions they will, and have recently as well, simply burn whole neighborhoods down instead.
it’s not fucking hopeless… but asking them to stop won’t work, and stopping arms supply won’t work….
so, either diplomacy or forcefully stopping them is required… at this point i think the U.N. should forcefully invade Israel.
Biden should be impeached, and voting Trump in will definitely make that and everything else much worse.
You are leaving out the third and probably most important part, that Brandon (why don't you mock him? he doesn't deserve to be taken seriously!) should stop protecting Israel from its neighbors.
Without the US as a threat so you think Egypt would cooperate with Israel? Do you think Iran would be content to just watch and do nothing? Do you think Hezbollah would merely launch rockets and do nothing? The Red Sea would become unusable for Israel and they'd lose all access to trade through ports. Do you think they'd be able to use the Red Sea to ship in the weapons they try to buy from somewhere else (again, where else? India? )
Israel couldn't keep up the genocide without US backing and you need to recognize this. We are complicit. This is Biden's genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
you vastly underestimate what Egypt would do if these countries attacked them….
but, it has happened before….
btw, the entire country is drafted into the military at age 18…. that’s a lot of fully trained soldiers….
they have advanced hacking capabilities, as well as jets and tanks… they can’t use most of that of Palestinians… but nobody is being held back by J’bRaNdOn
It's not 1967. Back then Israel was a modern army fighting people on horseback (okay fine that's an exaggeration, but not much of one! the gap was way bigger back then). This is a totally different era of warfare.
Also? Everyone is drafted into the military at 18 just becomes an officer by 21, it's a joke army and that's why Hamas keeps smoking their tanks to post on TikToc. You are actually vastly overestimating Israel's capabilities, which has been an international propaganda effort by Israel to portray themselves as an unsinkable aircraft carrier. That's why they're turning Gaza into a mass grave. Hamas humiliated them and now they need to show they world that they are strong and in control.
The truth is that Israel would not be able to fight a war on multiple fronts after having already fought in Gaza for eight months. The 21st century is a different battlefield.
your series of claims is complete detached from reality
You're the one saying Israel is an indestructible titan that can fight all of its enemies at once after being bogged down in war for 8 months. Cut off the US supply of bombs and they'd run out in weeks. Let Ansar Allah blockade their trade in the Red Sea and they'd be unable to be resupplied by anyone else - if they could even find anyone else! You still failed to actually name someone that'd be willing to arm Israel. They'd waste all their ammo and be left with nothing to do genocide or defend themselves.
Now of course we should do more. There should be sanctions on Israel and we should demand they return everything the US has ever sold them, and bomb them if the refuse to comply, but ending US support would go a long way to ending the genocide and you need to reconcile with this. Israel just couldn't get away with this without a superpower behind them.
i know of only one group of people that thinks that “brandon” is clever….
and i do not believe you are genuine
I hate his guts, is that not clear? I voted for him to "stop fascism" and now he's doing genocide in my name.
it’s also clear that you’re not american and didn’t vote for him
I'm literally from Iowa. Voted for Obama and Hillary too. Why do you think I'm not American?
You think the moniker Genocide Joe is just a jab? You really think Joe Biden isn't fully complicit?
You're an absolutely perfect shitlib specimen.
yes, also it’s stupid.
he is fully complicit.
you really think it was biden doing all of this for the better part of the last century? he can’t stop it… but he could definitely stop supporting it….
The democrats are also fascists :l no politician will save you
Fascist is a word with an actual meaning. I know it's fun to call the democrats fascists, but that's incorrect and ridiculous.
So doing genocide and cracking down on free speech isn't fascist?
No, those are not part of the definition of fascism.
Try this link and this one to start, if you want to educate yourself on the topic. Then if you still believe the Democratic Party fulfills the definition of fascist, come back and tell us which characteristics you think makes it so.
Aside from contempt for liberalism there's no difference, and Biden's contempt for the left more than makes up for it. It's more accurately neoliberal, but has a lot in common with fascism and you refuse to see it. That's why he's doing genocide and brutalizing people protesting against it. Similar ideologies produce similar outcomes.
fascism DOES gave a definition written by Mussolini. democrats fit the bill.
They just hear us say it about them so they assume it's just a bad word to throw at people you don't like, similar to doo doo head, or fart sniffer.
Yes because it is right wingers saying "the lesser evil is still fascist"
Please consider expressing internally consistent ideas.
Wait who do you think "they" is in this sentence? Do you think people here are arguing to vote for Trump?
They would be anyone who says "Dems are fascist"
They are fascists though.
Democrats are closer to Vichy than Fascista
Words have meaning in political discourse, and no, they're not.
They're neo-liberals. Both fascism and neo-liberalism are totalitarian. The former is also authoritarian. And their ways of totalizing are different.
Neo-liberalism appropriates everything that's not itself and turns it into a commodity. This is its form of totalitarianism; colonialism and cultural appropriation for the sake of the 'market'. I.e. theft.
Fascism extinguishes everything that's not itself. That is its form of totalitarianism, genocide. I.e. murder.
Neither one particularly plays well with others (hence them both being totalitarian). And both are willing to steal and both are willing to murder. But the end goals of each are much different and fascism is much worse, as you know as a jewish person.
And a Trump presidency would be a fascist one. With Trans people first on the chopping block after Trump's political enemies.
So, no. Both sides are not the same. And I'm also frustrated with the democrats. But yes, this is harm reduction. A neo-liberal or a fascist. Thieves or psychopaths. Those are the choices. Or vote third party. Or don't vote. But in November, we know it will be Biden or Trump who gets the nomination.
I'll vote for the thief personally. Because I practice harm reduction and live in a swing state.
Biden is doing genocide, what are you talking about?
voting is not harm reduction
Anything that reduces harm, is by definition, harm reduction.
harm reduction is a specific thing, and voting is not harm reduction.
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Thank you for understanding the reality of the situation and voting accordingly.
I agree, Neo-liberal is a more accurate label for the democrats. Thanks for taking the time to educate about the difference between the parties. Unfortunately, unless these "democrats are fascists too" people learn to understand the differences and act accordingly [1], they're going to learn the hard way what fascism really is, and we'll all suffer for it. For a very long time.
[1] "accordingly" means, accept the reality that either the D party or the R party will be in power in less than a year, and vote for the lesser of two evils (the non-fascist, but yes neo-liberal, D party).
This is a divided country. Almost half the people this country are right wing, and they vote. They vote for who they want in the primary, then they vote for whoever the R is in the general--and it works. Their party has moved more and more to the right.
But too many progressives don't follow through in the general if their preferred candidate loses the primary, considering the winning candidate not "good enough" to "deserve" their votes, so the D either loses or barely wins. D politicians have learned well that they can't count on left wing voters, so to have a chance of winning they must move right to capture more center or conservative voters, and thus the D party as a whole has also moved right. If the D party instead learned that standing for progressive values would get them enough votes to win, that's what they would do.
We started to see that in 2022. They had actually been afraid to stand up for abortion rights until they saw some election results showing they could win on it, now they're loudly standing up for it. Show them they can win with a progressive stance on other issues as well, and things will start changing. Slowly at first, then quickly.