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Will there ever be a way to convince the American public that prisons are not supposed to be cruel and the justice system shouldn't be about vengeance?
But justice is about taking an eye for an eye right? /s
Even that biblical context was about making someone whole. You stole their cow and sold it, they get one of yours. The current American prison system is simply about cruelty and profit.
That makes a little more sense. (the historic pov) but yeah the current system is just about creating a new class of slave labor its got nothing going on for it in terms of rehabilitation. Its increasingly frustrating when other countries have kinda mapped out a model and you just have to transpose it. But we can't have nice things.
also i was being sarcastic in the previous message hence the /s. Sorry.
Nothing to be sorry about! I was also venting; hope I didn't come across as too contrary.
Oh youre good. I just wanted to make sure there was no misunderstanding. And please vent away. Its depressing.
You guys are so adorable * . *
I’m hearing we should take a dealer’s drugs and drug money, or a car thief’s car, and call it square.
Why stop there.. Take their life as well. Lol /s
And then what? What is the American public supposed to do about it?
Vote. Write Congress. Petition. Protest. Repeat.
Vote accordingly.
Good luck with that
Should we do nothing and hope it gets better?
I don’t see the difference
The difference between doing nothing and doing something?
Pretty much. “Doing something” in terms of voting has the same outcome as doing nothing.
The only way we’ll have any real change is if we roll out the guillotines. Are you willing to go there?
Why are you asking me if I'm willing to when you clearly haven't done so yourself?
You should be asking yourself that question.
So you won’t answer the question? I’ll take that as a no. You’re not willing.
No, I'm not willing to commit murder. And clearly neither are you or you'd have done it already. Don't ask other people to be brave on your behalf. Go start this glorious revolution of yours and stop being an armchair Che Guevara.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy. You’re quick to put everyone down and blame the American public thinking that voting will solve everything. Every candidate is a screaming dickhead.
If you’re not willing to actually do anything then you should just stfu otherwise you sound like a hypocrite.
I’ve been voting my entire life and have yet to see a candidate that will work for the American public.
Listening to people like you is tiring and doesn’t get us anywhere.
So you are perfectly satisfied with how America is, right? Since you're unwilling to start cutting off heads? And you never complain about anything, right? If I go through your comment history, I won't find one complaint about things in the U.S.?
Complain all you want but trying to convince me that voting is going to save us is a futile effort.
People like you just don’t understand how much of a strangle hold the media has on the public’s mind. You just don’t understand how much corporations control us.
So why aren't you getting out the guillotine? I thought it makes you a hypocrite wanting to change these things but not being willing to cut heads off.
Once again, sounds like you want people to be brave on your behalf.
You’re a hypocrite because you put the blame on everyone else but you sit there as an arm chair warrior.
I’m not the one complaining about why isn’t the American public doing something. You are.
I'm not complaining about anything. I'm asking how to convince people of something. And the ironic part of this is that I'm asking how to get people out of a vengeance mentality and your answer is vengeance.
Cool good luck with that. Let me know how that goes.
I am sure you’re going to change the world by spreading your words on lemmy. Sounds like complaining to me.
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Do explain how asking a question is complaining.
Look up the definition of complaining and get back to me
Sure, just as soon as you look up what vengeance means. Because, again, your suggestion for getting people out of a vengeance mentality is vengeance. While suggesting I'm disparaging Americans by suggesting they have a vengeance mentality.
Wrong. Americans are sitting on their asses. There is no vengeance or vengeance mentality. If that’s truly what you think you need to go outside and touch grass. Go mingle with your community because your mind is warped. Lemmy and reddit is a terrible representation of the American or greater mentality in the world.
Looking at your comment history it’s clear you spend entirely way too much time on lemmy. It’s no wonder your perspective is so warped.
I am far from the only one who sees America's vengeance culture. Here are some others who see it, including academics:
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https://scholar.harvard.edu/terryaladjem/publications/culture-vengeance-and-fate-american-democracy
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/27/lets-get-american-revenge-00074960
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/abortion-afghanistan-revenge/
https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1003&context=book_chapters
https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/30/american-vengeance/
So are you sure it's not you who has the warped perspective? Considering you're suggesting people commit murder to effect change?
I don’t see how any of this represents the greater American public. Plus it’s just more garbage from the main stream media.
You live in an echo chamber. This is why you need to go out and touch grass and actually meet your community.
You link a couple of articles about psychos being psychos.
Are you saying we need to convince mentally ill people to stop being mentally ill?
Again you clearly don’t see how much of a strangle hold corporations have on everything including the “news”. The people you’re voting for don’t represent you. They are there to collect big bucks from corporate lobbying.
All of these politicians are filthy rich. Ask yourself why when their salary is less than 100k a year.
Harvard is the mainstream media? The University of Michigan is the mainstream media?
Again, why are you not getting out the guillotine if you're complaining about this? Because you said that makes someone a hypocrite if they complain about America but don't get out the guillotine.
LOL Harvard is all rich people. They represent rich people. Who do you think owns the 24 hour news cycle? Rich people. Who do you think is buying politicans? Rich people. Wake up and get off Fox News. If you want to sling shit at anyone it’s corporations.
Yet again, why haven't you gotten out the guillotine?
Actually I never said this. So either you have reading problems or you’re now trying to use straw man arguments to win a moronic position.
The reason I don’t pull the guillotines out is the same reason you don’t. But I am not going to sit here and circle jerk myself into thinking that voting is going to change anything when we have 50 years of evidence that it doesn’t.
I called you a hypocrite because you’re calling out Americans when you’re sitting on your ass. I am not the one calling anyone out except you.
I can tell you’re bad at reading comprehension.
...and we're back to 'do nothing and change nothing.'
Well you’re already doing nothing so good job on that one
Please prove I am doing nothing about prison reform.
Unless that was a lie. Was it a lie?
Shit posting doesn’t count
In other words, you have no proof and you lied. Thanks for that tacit admission.
Or maybe you lied. Do you have proof you didn’t lie?
Naner naner! I got you!
Sick retort kiddo!
That's an interesting way to avoid backing up your claim.
What claim is that? That you sound mentally ill right now?
I sound mentally ill because I'm asking you for evidence of your claim about someone you've never met and know next to nothing about?
I think you may want to go back over that...
Hypocrisy: saying one thing and doing the opposite.
"We should go vote and make a positive change" Proceeds to vote to try to make a positive change.
"We should do a full on head cutting French revolution!" Complains on the internet about how people suck and doesn't do a revolution.
Hmm...
There's some value in bringing some woodworking tools and lumber to city Hall and make yourself one as a performance piece