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Biden: what would Trump have done if the Capitol riots had been led by Black Americans?
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Yeah, those ranks of "protesters" are riddled with Republican/Putin operatives. If Biden is unseated, say goodbye to Palestine. Israel will have the green light to eradicate the people of Gaza.
Palestine, Ukraine, and Taiwan sovereignty will all be eliminated under Trump.
That would essentially do far greater harm to the U.S.
Do you have a source on that?
I'd also like some sources, but I just find it highly unlikely that people who care about Palestine don't care about all of the domestic brown Americans.
It certainly isn't a happy choice to vote for Biden, but there's absolutely no way I'm going to make any other choice. I remember how Trump harassed Muslims on Day 1. Harassment of all brown people, including murders and assaults, all rose under Trump. Voting for Biden is a vote to keep my extended ethnic community safe. And I intend to use that vote to pressure Biden into bitchslapping Netanyahu to stop genociding other brown people.
I can understand unhappy sentiment towards Biden. I can understand being reluctant to vote, and at this point, not wanting to vote for him. But I cannot understand "we will unseat Biden" sentiment. Someone who says that is no ally to brown Americans. Nor Palestinians, considering the wholehearted support Trump has for Netanyahu.
Like they've been doing for the past 7 months?
Do you know that saying, I think it went something like:
... and just when I thought things couldn't possibly get any worse...they got much worse
I think it could be a situation like that.
Oh it'll definitely be something like that.
Right now Israel doesn't care if it kills civilians to get Hamas, and they've had to slow down their attacks several times and scaled things back because of the Biden admin.
If Trump is elected there's literally nothing stopping Israel from just mustard gassing all of Gaza.
They haven't slowed down in the slightest. Everything he's done has been verbal, except for one very short time they slowed down some weapons, but even then, they're sending them more weapons. If they've slowed down at all, it's because of other countries like ones in South America cutting off trade, or South Africa starting the ICC case. If anything, the US has been running interference on behalf of Israel, vetoing resolutions against them and such in the UN.
It doesn't get worse then watching your child starve to death.
There are certain red lines where the argument for harm-reduction is just justification for evil. Genocide is one of those red lines.
This is cognitive dissonance from someone that wants people to support someone literally complicit in the genocide of their people.
I've not seen any evidence of Republicans at any rallies.
The Putin comment is just 'anything I don't like is Putin.'
Let me be clear. Biden and the DNC intentionally chose to forego important parts of a primary. Biden chose to be complicit in a genocide. If Biden losses, it will be his fault he lost.
If you expect to be able to supply the weapons to a government engaged in a genocide against a population that also happens to be a requisite part of your winning coalition and still have them vote for you, then you are stupid beyond description.
So with Biden putting a hold on weapon shipments to Israel over concerns about the citizens of Gaza, and the Republicans passing a bill forcing the weapons to be sent to Israel, your logic says that people shouldn't vote for Republican legislators.
Notice how the emotional propagandist completely dodged your question?
Do you even have the slightest idea who the largest voting block is? People don't need to vote for a Republican for Biden to lose. They just have to not vote.
It's amazing you even posted that as a response.
Sure, I would advocate for Republicans not voting for Republican legislators, if the Republican base wanted a ceasefire. But they don't. The Republican party is afraid of their base. The Democratic party has contempt for theirs.
Also, Biden already started shipping those weapons, regardless of that vote. Holding up the weapons temporarily was an attempt to look like he was doing something, same as the floating pier was. Did you even read the link? It hasn't passed the Senate yet.
And who do you think is going to win then?
Come January 2025, the next president will be either Biden or Trump. The election is your one chance to say which one. Act accordingly.
Too bad that Biden chose to alienate a requisite member of his coalition.
Hold him accountable for his decisions.
He chose an action, supporting genocide, that will cost him the general, and chose not to run a primary.
Edit: I don't understand these responses that try and imply voting is an individual moral decision. It has the same logic of blaming the consumer and individual choices for carbon based climate change instead of the people with culpability and power to change things.
Edit edit: I think at this point, unless someone dies, that Trump will be elected. To be clear, I am not voting for Trump.
Okay, so who should we vote for?
According to him your choices are nobody or Trump. So I guess write in the name of the perfect American over 35 and get back to your soaps.
That's not what they're saying. They're saying other people won't vote for Biden because he's enabling a genocide of people from their community and it's ridiculous to expect that they would. It's easy to foresee what would happen and change tact, you know, like a politician. It's not a prescription, it's a description.
Vote your conscious. Personally, if you're in a swing state, I think you should vote Biden. But maybe also don't jump in front of bullets to protect him from criticism because it's not going to help him. Forcing him to try harder on this issue will help him. He's even throwing up some token resistance now, like that temporary hold up a few weapons, so baby steps are happening. I mean, it sounds like he approved another $1 billion of weapons after that little stunt of temporarily holding up a couple, and he's still condemning protestors and the UN trying to hold Israel accountable even while they walk right over his "red line" but hey, uh... Baby steps, I guess...
I'll answer this a fourth time, but no more since it's clear you have no reading comprehension.
Whomever you want. It's always been your decision. Just don't blame the people personally impacted by Bidens decision to back a genocide when he loses.
Is this concept really that hard to understand?
I answered that question twice in my comment...
That's your decision.
Don't be surprised when the people that Joe Biden's second term requires don't vote for him because he supported the wholesale slaughter of their families.
One person is responsible for that decision.
Joe Biden.
If you hate Trump, blame the person most responsible for his reelection.
It's funny, every time I talk to someone like you who is explaining why not to vote for Biden and I ask them who I should vote for, they don't give me a straight answer.
I'm not explaining why not to vote for Biden.
Why do you think I'm doing that? Have you read anything I wrote, or are you just seeing words that you filter as 'anti Biden' and give a canned response?
I'm literally responding to someone calling Palestinian Americans and Muslim Americans stupid because they, as a bloc, don't want to vote for the man that chose not to stop the slaughter of their families.
Vote for whomever you want.
Don't scapegoat the people whose families were slaughtered in an ongoing genocide.
Someone needs to beat this into your skull, in the current us voting system not voting for Biden is the same as voting for Trump.
Which one do you want to win? Neither are great, but Trump will lead to the complete annihilation of Palestinians in Gaza.
Someone needs to beat into your skull some reading comprehension.
Nothing you've said has any bearing on what I said.
You're arguing in an empty room against yourself.
Read better.
Whomever you want. Just don't blame the people personally affected by Biden decision to back a genocide when he loses.
I'd be offended if this was from someone that had even the slight ability to comprehend what they read.
All well and good, but I would rather not suffer through another four years (or more, the way he talks) of Trump just to teach Biden a lesson. Seems a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I'm not telling you who to vote for.
All of this thread is off of a post calling Palestinian Americans and Muslim Americans stupid for not voting, as a bloc, for Biden.
I am arguing against the scapegoating that will come against an enthic minority when the outcome of Biden's actions are that he doesn't get elected again.
Vote for whomever you want. Don't blame the family members of victims of an ongoing genocide for the outcome.
Found the russian troll, guys
They are likely just a useful idiot for Putin.
Fortunately, they are terrible at this.
I am an American in the PNW.
If you think everyone giving you scary truths is a Russian troll, it doesn't allow you to recognize actual dissent.
And, to clarify things, I'm responding to a post that is scapegoating an ethnic minority that is a required part of Biden's coalition because they likely won't vote for the man that could have single handedly stopped the slaughter and torture of their families, but didn't.
I responded to someone calling those people stupid.
We have reports from American doctors in hospitals in Gaza of an amputation patient that had literal maggots eating the remains of his legs that was left in that situation cause there were no resources or people to help.
We have reports from Israeli whistleblowers of Palestinians prisoners (hostages) regularly having amputations because they'd been zipped tied too long.
And yet, their family members in the US are stupid for not voting for the one man who could stop that but didn't.
And, somehow, I'm a Russian troll for pointing out how stupid and inhumane blaming Muslim and Palestinian Americans for Biden loss is? Fuck dude, be better.
Green Day wrote an album about you
Phil Ochs wrote a song about you
You should have said 'sung', as it is extremely apparent that you have no reading comprehension skills.