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Hello comrades and welcome to the fourth improvement megathread of May! There is one more week left in May, let's make it count.

As usual, some discussion ideas:

  • Do you want to share something you've done in the previous week? Everything counts, nothing is too small.
  • Do you have any goals for next week?
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  • If you don't have a continuous streak, did you manage to abstain from something for a day or more?
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[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago

Lmao I'm the same way without the follow through agony-wholesome Like I just finished a book about Capital, so now I want to read David Ricardo and some other economists to compare theories. Then of course I want to read some anthropological literature to learn more about commerce and origins of Capitalism. And then Hegel, and then the French revolution and then and then....and then I forget lol.

I have horrible memory and have thought about note taking; do you have a form that you follow that works for you?

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I've got through a lot of note-taking methods tbh. Even as I went through my university course, it's something that I never really got the hang of and was satisfied by (part of it is that I was usually too busy with the workload to really do a deep dive and perfect any particular one).

I've tried doing it on paper (or devices you can handwrite on) because of all the scientifically-supported benefits it gives you in terms of concentration and memory and so on, and I don't doubt those benefits, but ease of access and searchability and connectivity are just way too important to be flipping through papers as soon as your notes reach a certain size.

So I do it via keyboard, usually on a device that isn't connected to the internet to avoid distractions (with the PDF or epub predownloaded, or the book next to me if I have it physically). There's a lot of note-taking apps out there and they each have their own benefits; I found that I dislike pure memorization/flashcard apps like Anki because I do actually just need a big place with my notes not all separated by flashcards.

I found that I dislike various pure Zettelkasten-y apps like Obsidian. A Zettelkasten, literally "second-brain" is kinda like a massive decentralized mind-map which focuses on connections between pieces of information rather than maintaining a strict set of notes, if you're unaware. I found that I actually quite liked having the ability to have a place for all my notes from a certain book to just read through and not scattered around (and a Zettelkasten is kinda explicitly about not memorizing stuff because, y'know, your second brain is meant to have the information and not the brain in your head, but I quite like just memorizing stuff so I can use it without referencing a giant mindmap).

Notion is pretty good and I still use it for a lot of things. It's a fairly basic app where you can take notes but that also has functionality for to-do lists and tables and so on.

I think I like RemNote the most. There's a lot of complicated stuff you can do with it, but at its heart, it's a notetaking app where you can generate flashcards inside the app and it'll do spaced repetition schedules automatically, which is nice because there's some things that I would like to flashcard but definitely far from everything. I also just like the structure of the thing, it's been good to encourage me to break away from agonizingly long paragraphs and instead break them up into bitesize pieces that are nonetheless connected together.

But at the end of the day, the app used isn't really what's important, because it's very easy to trick yourself into thinking you're being productive by messing with settings and doing youtube tutorials about XYZ or TOP TEN TRICKS FOR PRODUCTIVITY, etc.

As for the strategy while taking notes, there's also a ton of them out there which boast wild success. Again, I don't think any of them are wrong necessarily, but there's a lot of them that feel either needlessly complicated/require a lot of extra thought ("oh gee, what do I colour-code this? is this categorized as a fact, an idea, a concept, or commentary in my elaborate classification highlighting system?") when you should just be thinking about the book and its contents, or they feel like they're designed for specific subjects; what works for literature analysis won't work for medical school, which won't work for mathematics, etc.

I think the best way I've found is to simply read through the book and try and summarize what the author is saying in your own words and add examples. There's really only three guidelines I'd go for:

  1. Keep your paragraphs relatively short to keep your notes in relatively bitesize chunks of information and explanation

  2. If you're ever just typing things in from the book verbatim for more than a couple sentences at a time, you've probably lost focus - you might need to take a break for like 5-10 minutes or check you actually understand and aren't just pretending to understand so you can get through the book faster. It's fine to repeat decent stretches because there's only a few concise ways of saying something, but make sure to break it up by at least changing a word or re-ordering a paragraph to make sure your brain is still actually doing stuff.

  3. If you don't understand something, then don't just repeat it verbatim in your notes because you'll just confuse yourself later. This is where a lack of internet connection can be a real pain, so maybe keep it on if you're dealing with something dense and confusing

Sometimes putting things in your own words is actually longer and less concise but uses less complicated jargon so it's actually easier to understand overall. There's usually a lot of extraneous/unhelpful information or padding that can be removed though, so my edited notes are very often like a quarter/third of the size of the actual book, maximum.

You can edit them from there after you've read the chapter/book. Often, you'll find that the author goes back over ground already covered just to remind you, and you might not catch this while going through it (especially if it takes you a week or two to get through it). Other times, you'll find that information you wrote down just wasn't that relevant. Obviously we aren't studying for a test here, there's no chance it'll be on the "exam", so delete parts at your own discretion.

I think even if you go for more exotic notetaking things, it's better to just get raw sentences down and then go back over the notes afterwards with the colours and referencing and tags and such.

The whole process takes a lot longer than just reading the book without making notes - a frustratingly long time, even - but it means that you'll never have to read it again in your life, if done right, and you'll memorize much more of it (especially if using flashcards in addition), so it's much more efficient and time-saving over a, say, 30 year timespan.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

As an example of how I take notes (in Remnote), this is a paragraph from Desai's Geopolitical Economy (2013):

"Part 8 of Capital Volume I, devoted to ‘The so-called primitive accumulation’, famously underlines the state’s critical role in establishing capitalism by separating workers from their subsistence. However, not only does such primitive accumulation continue into capitalism’s maturity (Luxemburg, 1913/2003; Harvey, 2003), it is closely tied to the expansion of the state’s role for combined development through ‘the colonies, the national debt, the modern tax system, and the system of protection’. The national debt permitted the state to ‘meet extraordinary expenses [such as for colonial ventures] without the taxpayers feeling it immediately’ while the resulting taxes and wage goods inflation separated more artisans and peasants from their subsistence. The effectiveness of this system of primitive accumulation was further heightened by the ‘system of protection, which forms one of its integral parts’ (Marx, 1867: 921)."

and these are my unedited notes for that paragraph:

my notes are only like 10% shorter than the actual thing right now (thanks to me adding a brief example/explanation, which is extending it) but I've actually reduced like half the wordcount of the chapter as a whole when accounting for wordier/extraneous paragraphs, while also making it more readable to me, and I haven't even editted it down and glued together sections that are similar yet. You can get some even better compression on less dense books, but this is one of the denser ones.

An added benefit is that as you get more and more books in there, you'll perhaps notice that certain subjects are brought up a lot and so you can, using RemNote at least, create entries/mini-documents/whatever you want to call them, dedicated precisely to that topic, giving a basic overview. Books on many Western countries' recent politics will probably bring up the 2008 financial crisis for example, and that might be explained from scratch in each book, so instead of having like 10 different note sets each with its own distinct set of paragraphs on an overview of the timeline of the financial crisis overall, you can just have a single version and save some words and time.

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago

Oh I forgot to reply to this earlier, but thank you SO MUCH for this super detailed response, it should be an effort post in my opinion lol. I started to use obsidian which I liked well enough but definitely began organizing things in more of a table of contents style as opposed to going full zettelkasten. I'll fiddle around with RemNotes and see how that does me. I like the idea of writing but I could see that being so much more cumbersome....Maybe taking all the rougjt notes and then summarizing them that way could be helpful. Anyway you rule, thanks again!

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