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just to clarify, you realize that there was a path to peace, and then Likud/Netanyahu decided to actively help fund and support Hamas to undermine Palestine as a stable state. Specifically to avoid having to give Palestinians statehood (and a democratic vote)?
that to this day, there are significant numbers of Palestinians who do not have a voice in any form of government.
I don't know what the path to peace now looks like - the conflict has gone longer than I've been alive. They came close and the powers that were decided they didn't like that, so they fucked the entire region over. the Hamas attack on oct7- while definitely to be blamed on Hamas- is a direct result of those actions.
I don't know where we'd be had they not taken action to support Hamas over other groups... but it's very clear both the Israeli far right and Hamas are willing participants in a war that's mostly just killing civilians. So, the first step absolutely has to be to stop the violence and restore sanity, and then we can get back to working to a more lasting peace.
Awhile ago, shaky, but maybe.
Absolutely. Also to scare their own citizens into supporting them. He didn't intentionally let Oct 7th happen, but Hamas isn't a pet to be toyed with, either. He used them as a boogyman, empowered them, and then was surprised when they did a small part of what they had threatened to do.
You understand that but say "Israel will continue to get attacked" like that justifies not letting them be free? And Israel is absolutely free to defend itself, but killing more more journalists in a few months than have ever been killed in any single war, evacuating people then bombing the refugee camps, targeting aid workers, and shooting unarmed civilians in the west bank (where there is no combat) is not self defense.
People shit on America for Iraq and Afghanistan, and yeah, those were pretty fucking bad. Somehow Israel is managing to be worse. Objectively, provably worse.
At least 35,647 people have been killed and 79,852 wounded in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7. The death toll in Israel from Hamas's October 7 attack is 1,139 with dozens still held captive. Source
460,000 deaths in Iraq as direct or indirect result of the war including more than 60% of deaths directly attributable to violence.
You're saying 36 thousand deaths is worth than 460 thousand deaths. I'm not saying what Israel is doing is justified, but it's a hell of a lot more justified than whatever the fuck we were doing in Iraq.
Cool. Now do per capita.
You sure they didn’t let it happen?
The IDF is one of the most capable and well-equipped militaries in the world.
They had reports of training activity. They had been warned by several parties, but the attack still managed.