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The new party line, which I've encountered several times in the past few days, is "it's Hamas' fault that Israel kills children."
Few days? That's been the line for decades.
Do you know how many people have personally told me it's Israel's fault that Hamas kills Jews?
Both sides are saying ridiculous shit out of emotion. Let's not pretend it is just Israel supporters.
If you cannot see the difference between: an ethno-nationalist, settler colonialist state with weapons and support from the most powerful military on the planet keeping the people whose land you're literally stealing in an open-air prison; and, the people that they've been oppressing for 80+ years who have turned to violence after literally everything else has failed for nearly a century, so maybe they don't get murdered by IDF soldiers, and maybe one day they can just live in fucking peace and not have to worry about a bunch of nationalist Jews from New Jersey storming onto their property in the middle of night with AR-15s and forcing them out of the home their family lived in for generations...
If you think these two groups are the same, and this is some "both sides" shit, then you either need a history lesson, or you already know I'm right and you're full of shit.
You're "both sides"-ing a literal fucking genocide. Real bad look.
I'm not in support of Israel on this matter.
Ok so why did you feel the need to talk about how many people have personally told you it's Israel's fault Hamas attacked as if it isn't true (and no Israel ≠ the Israeli people just like Hamas ≠ the Palestinian people)?
And buddy, your username is public. It's not hard to remember it when you say some of the vile shit you've said. Hey even the app I use has a feature to highlight users with notes... So please don't lie to me about your agenda thanks.
I have you in my notes too. It just says "unhinged."
When did I pretend that? This isn't about that.
Both sides of the equation need to be pushed back against.
Not everything needs to be "both sides."
You scrolled past somebody stating in this very thread that they don't recognize the right of Israel to exist.
You could have spent a single minute of your day pushing against the ridiculousness of that statement. Instead, you scrolled down and decided to push back on something less ridiculous.
They both deserved push back, but you only chose to push back against the side you aren't on.
Why is it my personal job to challenge every statement?
You are one of the most active users on the site who spends probably more time than anybody challenging Israel supporters.
But challenging the side you are on when they say clearly abhorrent things?... Slim pickings.
That doesn't explain why it's my job. Unless you're going to pay me to do otherwise, I think I'll continue to reply to who I want to reply to.
If it isn't your job to somehow find a way to speak out against the most milquetoast barely pro-Israel comments made on Lemmy, it's certainly at least your hobby.
I just think you could put 1% of your time here towards speaking out against the comments you see that are wrong when they come from your side.
But, partisanism is like a drug.
Shall I go through your comment history to see what you've been unevenly commenting on? Because I'm willing to. I'm guessing I'll find quite the treasure trove.
Go ahead. I'm mostly on your side of the conflict. Largely because of the work you have put in here. You are respected here and have changed minds.
I just think if arguing against pro-Israel people the second they step out of line is going to be your hobby, you should be doing the same when you see it coming from your own side.
Whereas I think declaring something to be my hobby when it isn't that at all is exceedingly rude. So I don't think I'll take the advice of someone who is being exceedingly rude to me.
If you want to pretend the person who gave you credit for changing their mind is being rude to you, that's fine.
Yes. I do want to "pretend" the person telling me what my hobbies are and berating me for spending time here is being exceedingly rude. You don't even know what is going on in my life and you assumed instead of asked. Too late now. I'm done here. Go be a jerk to someone else.
If I realized you would take offense at the word I used to describe how you choose to spend your time, I wouldn't have used the word.
I'm not criticizing you for what you are doing. I think you have done a lot of good. I just think you are very forgiving of awful behavior among people who hold the same beliefs you do, when you should realize they respect you and likely wouldn't engage I'm that behavior if you chose to say something.
There's nothing remotely ridiculous about saying that an apartheid ethnostate does not have a right to exist.
Frankly, no nation has an inherent right to exist, and that includes Israel. A nation is only legitimate as long as it looks after the interests and liberties of its people. All its people. At the end of the day, I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut if Israel exists, Palestine exists, or some combination of the two, or neither. What I care about is that the people who live there have long, happy, free, and peaceful lives, and right now Israel seems to be the biggest obstacle to that, what with the genocide and all.