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The best answer to Russia's blockade would be a NATO escort. Unfortunately Turkey would need to be on board and Erdogan is trying to play the role of mediator in the conflict.
I actually don't blame him for trying to play mediator, I think that's a good thing here, because I want putin to think there's always room to talk even while his army is being incinerated around him.
But we should send speedboats with the US flag carrying kfc in and out of Odessa with each convoy.
Ukraine is beating Russia, best case scenario for everyone is this keeps happening slowly enough that putin doesn't do anything stupid while his empire collapses around him.
You're in a bubble of complete misinformation. You cannot seriously believe Ukraine is beating Russia.
Well they've taken more land back in the last couple months than Russia took in the last year, so there's that.
Russia were kicked out of Kyiv
Russia were kicked out of Kharkiv
Russia were kicked out of Kherson
The reclamation of Russian held Ukrainian land in the east and the south appears to be accelerating.
Russia is resorting to fielding T-54s and T-55s (how embarrassing 😬 )
Putins support at home appears to be slipping
Ukraine has the full support of the west
Russia barely has the tentative support of China
You're being lied to. You need to drop wherever you're getting your information, it's all completely false. These are fantasies.
So Russia still occupies the Kharkiv, Kherson and Kyiv regions do they?
Unfortunately they won't give you any sources to back up their claims, because they are projecting hard.
Russia never occupied Kiev, it pulled back after the peace agreement that Zelensky reneged on. Ukraine has lost its last army. It's over, they have no chance. Good riddance to the Nazi scum.
EDIT: A lot of triggered Nazis in here today.
They pulled back because the VDV were wiped out in the battle of hostomel airport and because they couldn't fuel their tanks where Ukrainians kept blowing up their logistics.
"Good will gesture" was an attempt by the Kremlin to save face while they shuffled back to Belarus with their tail between their legs.
This is out of date propaganda. They pulled back because of a peace treaty. It didn't make the news at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUslOD36Q-Q
dont post tankie youtubers as sources. it makes you look bad
Don't attack the messenger because you have no comeback. It makes you instantly concede the point.
You made a bold inaccurate claim citing a source video of someone making a bold inaccurate claim who cites no source.
Sigh... he mentions sources in the video if you like. His point in the video aswell was that there were very few sources. You're demanding something you know is impossible to provide, you're just being dishonest with yourself.
"THIS HAPPENED!!!!
I HAVE NO PROOF
THE ONLY PEOPLE SAYING IT HAPPENED ARE KNOWN LIARS
BELLLIEEEEVVVVEEEE MEEEE!!!!!!"
That's what you sound like
Okay then. Let's hear your take again?
Good to know that The Independent is lying media.
At no point during the video does RM cite The Independent as a source.
But even if he had:
The Independent is owned by a former KGB officer
Looking at this youtubers video catalog there is definitely a common theme among his videos.
Why accuse me of citing propaganda whilst sending me obvious propaganda?
Everything is propaganda. The question should be what is the truth?
The truth is Russia is the antagonist in this conflict and in many ways are what they accuse Ukraine of being
Okay?
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Propaganda and repetition. Worked 100+ years ago, still does.
Do you want nuclear war? Because nato and Russia engaging in direct combat is a path to that. I know some US citizens believe that the US has a nuclear missile intercept program so they won't be affected, but no such system exists and is effective. If one warship fires on another it could lead to a chain of events that kills us all
Ww2 started because everyone bent over for the Germans and Japanese, which encouraged them.
In this case, si vis pacem, para bellum.
Either putin is sane and pulls back, or he's insane and war was inevitable.
This is extremely simplified and comes off as silly. German appeasement was partially because France and Britain wanted Germany to attack the USSR, partially because they needed time to rearm. The US empire had a policy of provocation and containment of the Japanese empire.
In the era of nuclear powers wars are done with non nuclear proxies to avoid a nuclear exchange.
WW2 was pre-nuclear weapons. It turns out that changing material conditions makes old responses inappropriate.
We stopped selling them oil and steel, that's it. After they butchered and butchered China including the rape of Nanking.
Dude, look in the mirror, you need to live with that person and you're excusing the crimes of Unit 731.
Not a dude, stop assuming everyone on the internet is.
The pacific theater were two extremely violent empires duking it out.
A) Do you think the US hasn't done worse than the rape of Nanking and Unit 731?
B) The US policy of containing Japan and economically provoking them does not mean that Japan was justified, it is simply the lead up to war between two incredibly violent factions competing over the same resources.
Show me something we did on that level, not acts of war like bombings, but actual monstrous cruelty on that level.
We're still doing Guantanamo Bay. Abu graib is another one. If youre looking for direct comparisons. We also went around teaching puppet governments how to torture dissidents.
Not to mention that we saved the Unit 731 scientists for their expertise.
Oh my god. Gitmo, compared to Unit 731.
You need to read some history.
I have. The US is much better at keeping its prisoners alive so they can be tortured longer, but they have had longer to practice and Unit 731's notes.
If youre not willing to accept that, we could also go with the tuskegee experiment, nuclear testing around indigenous communities and then studying the results or agent orange, killing millions of people over the last twenty years, special forces routinely kidnapping and raping to death minors around US military bases, whatever floats your boat
Still not as bad, oh it's serious stuff, but not on the level of 731.
You need to read more.
I've read a lot about it actually. I wonder if maybe you haven't read a lot about what the US has done to its prisoners.
Also are you really saying unit 731 was worse than killing 4 million vietnamese, or helping pol pot kill a quarter of his country, or killing 20 percent of all Koreans and installing a military puppet in the south? Or using sanctions to cause mass starvation of an entire country that we've spent twenty years occupying or destroying?
Great, then we'll give Ukraine F-35s, F-22s, B-1Bs, swarms of Predators and Reapers and be on our way then.
See how easy it is to proxy war Zelensky right into Moscow with a smile.
There are no "Rules" to war, people do what they do and you have to be ready for it. Putin made a catastrophic error and we have to prepare for all eventualities, both good and bad, which means para bellum.
Sure, why not? And while we are at it why not some white elephants?
Also predators and reapers are meant for asymmetric operations where your opponent doesn't have AA or an airforce.
If you want to give Ukraine an advantage and continue the bloody war just make more artillery shells.
Or the US is sane and pulls back to their own side of the planet.
We're not over there, and the only help we're giving is because we're asked.
People hate russia, they want our help killing russians. Help we are happy to provide.
Nobody hates Russia, except new watching normies. The US is trying to weaken Russia to rob and pillage it again.
No, we're working with China to weaken Russia so we can divide it between us.
That was the deal.
China had s choice between a weak and stupid russia as an erratic ally, or a broken russia as a resource depot. They hesitated, but the war in Ukraine sold it.
The irony is putin started the war partly to look strong in front of Xi so he wasn't the junior partner in an alliance. The delicious, delicious irony.
It's pronounced knee-how btw, might want to practice.
Did the Sasquatch man tell you this or was it the gray aliens?
2nd strongest army on the world, now 2nd strongest army in Ukraine.
Delicious, delicious irony, the US finally got the one thing it needed to destroy Russia forever.
An excuse.
Asked by the government we helped install. Do you not remember the Nuland/Pyatt call?
Have you spoken to actual Ukrainians?
They hate Russians, they hate them like... everybody else really.
Congratulations, Russia managed to do the impossible, unite the world.
Yes, actually. An ethnically russian ukrainian who fled before the war. Can you guess why she had reason to flee?
Strange how most of the world is either neutral or supportive of Russia then. NATO countries aren't the entire world.