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Okay! Well just remember every time you go saying that phrase, you're pretty much saying fascist shit. Especially considering how OUN and Bandera were Nazi collaborators and liked to say that phrase. While at it, go read every atrocity Bandera and his ilk committed to! Just to point something else out to.
from https://mronline.org/2022/11/07/the-history-of-fascism-in-ukraine-part-i-the-origins-of-the-oun-1917-1941/
Maybe do some reading, like from that link! Or go double down on willful ignorance.
Sigh As always on hexbear you nitpick what you like and ommit all sourrounding context.
There is 180 years of context sourrounding this phrase.
Let me give you the tldr: Yes fascists used the phrase for a couple of years around the 40s and one should not forgett that (this is where we agree). However Ukrainians have refused to give the phrase to the nazis and after a cooldown period started to use it mostly as a "Battlecry" for resitance.
But most important is the contemoprary context. Currently (and you know this) "Slava Ukraini" is used as a sign of resistance against the russian aggressors and as a sign of support towards Ukrain.
Maybe you should stop supporting actual facists by calling everyone who is not licking putins boots a facist.
If Ukraine is trying to distance itself from Nazis why does Zelensky clap for Yaroslav Hunka and glaze the First Galician SS members, who were not only nazis but guilty of some of the most horrifying abuses in Ukraine? Why does every second picture of a Ukrainian soldier shows them wearing a black sun, the OUN patch, a totenkopf, a wolfsangel, or other fascist iconography? Why did Azov nazis get brought further and further into the fight, instead of being shunned and arrested for beint a literal neo nazi militia who were commiting war crimes against Russian speaking Ukrainians?
You went way off topic here
This thread ia about the phrase "Slava Ukraini" and if it's ok to use or if it ahould not be used because facists around the 50s tried to make it their own.
Although I am going to aay this. Russia a "world power" invaded ukrain in an illegal attack. I don't think Ukrain can afford to shunn any Soldier they have.
I do truely hope Ukrain will analyze the war propperly (and prossecute warcrimes appropriatly) After Russia got their ass handed to them
You're trying to say that your fascist slogan isn't fascist because Ukraine got rid of the fascists. How is me bringing up all the instances of fascism being mainstream in Ukraine off topic?
You're also saying that they can just freely put guns in the hands of genocidal Nazis because they're fighting to keep land that the Ukrainian government was shelling before the war started? You understand that Nazis are guilty of killing far more civilians in Ukraine than Russia has, right? You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater to a ridiculous degree. If Ukraine has to resort to recruiting Nazis then they should just surrender, otherwise even if they could somehow win, they're just going to put all the ethnic Russians in death camps.
Also, just so you know, even the Ukrainian government is perfectly aware they're not going to win this lol. Here, have a look, maybe you can buy yourself a bit of land or some government offices: privatization.gov.ua
Slava my butthole
Slava it good and deep, get up in there with the tongue