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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 165 points 5 months ago

So goddamn sick of fascist populists. Fuck humanity, so fucking stupid it canโ€™t help but shit the bed and fuck everyone else right along with em

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Fascism doesn't just come and go because people wax and wane in collective stupidity, it's a very specific set of conditions including Class Colaborationism, rising nationalism, and declining material conditions causing people to long for "the good old days" and "take care of our own, the immigrants are stealing from us so we can't." The Class Colaborationism bit is important, because it explains why Social Democracies are especially vulnerable to fascism, as Social Democracy is also based on Class Colaborationism, just not based on nationalism and violent suppression.

People don't randomly become fascist out of nowhere, it's a failure to move forward and improve conditions that is being taken advantage of by bad actors to solidify power.

[-] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago

Yeah, free, happy and educated people don't suddenly wake up as fascists one day.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

No, they are conditioned to it by radical fascist talk radio and little betas like Charlie Kirk

[-] iopq@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

Note that conditions haven't been getting worse in America, but there's a campaign by the populists to make people feel like it's worse.

The economy is better than before the pandemic, the wages have finally started beating inflation (to the point people are making more now in wages than before the pandemic). But if you're on social media you would not think this is the case.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

Conditions have been getting worse. Capitalism requires this. Wealth disparity is skyrocketing, wages fail to keep up with productivity, and American Imperialism is causing genocide.

A minor uptick as compared to a couple years ago does not mean Capitalism is no longer declining.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Except the uptick is from 1990, it's been getting better for about 34 years now, with setbacks in the dotcom crash, financial crisis and the pandemic.

There haven't been better wages at any point in US history as we beat the uptick of the 1970s some time ago

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Wages have been stagnating with respect to productivity, disparity is rising, home ownership is becoming more impossible for the average person, and the bulk of this decline is exported to the Global South which we brutally exploit for cheaper goods.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Home ownership rate has been steady for decades

The wages have been going up, just not exactly as fast productivity for several reasons:

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

That certainly doesn't look steady, lol. Large investment firms and banks are buying up a large number of single family housing, making it unaffordable.

Wages do go up, yes, with respect to inflation. They get nowhere close to productivity increases, as exploitation rises.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Look at the scale, it's between 63-68 for decades and the top number was literally a bubble

I agree that not all of the productivity gains go to the workers, but the workers are better off now than before

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

I am referring to the literal times we live in. Single-family housing units are being gobbled up by large firms, this will not show up on your graph just yet.

The Workers are now recieving even less of the Value they create than before, that's a wild way to justify this.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Corporations owning houses is a tiny percentage, again, home ownership rate is 60%+

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

It is not a tiny percentage, and it is getting worse.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

It's not even a special problem if a corp is a landlord or just one person.

The problem is not enough housing, not enough construction. Housing prices are actually decreasing in Austin because Texas builds

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Landlords are problems themselves, it doesn't matter if it's a corp or a person.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

The problem is NIMBYs, not landlords

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago
[-] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Why? It's impossible for all of the homes to be owned, we've been between 63-68% home ownership

In fact, a nasty thing happened when the home ownership peaked around 2008

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Public and individual ownership. Renting for profit is predatory.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Not everyone can just pay a down payment on a property

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Public and individual ownership.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

The government doesn't have the money to buy every property

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Is that what I am advocating for?

[-] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 5 months ago

Your post describes exactly the state I'm in. Fuck all these greedy fucks, fuck the dumb shits that vote them, fuck the conservatives enabling these Nazi fucks.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

So goddamn sick of fascist populists

They're the only ones allowed to do any populism. Ratchet keeps tightening, because centrists refuse to do anything nice for people and leftists who obtain the power to do so get labeled "tankie" and run out of office.

So of course, the only people allowed to say anything with a baseline public appeal are going to win a fucking popularity contest

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago

"Tankie" "Socialist" "Communist" the same things thrown at any politicians left of center.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

And a few right-of-center, when you look at how DLC Dems like Biden and Clinton got smeared.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago
[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Socialist and Communist, sure. But what politicians have been called tankies? I thought tankies were a specific type of communist.

[-] daellat@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Yeah tankies are just authoritarian apologists specifically for Stalin and Mao types

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

I've seen like 20 different interpretations of "tankie" on lemmy since moving over here from reddit last year, never heard it before that and I'm a pretty political person.

[-] daellat@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Tankies comes from the word tank obv. More specifically it comes from the tanks the soviets and China used to suppress popular uprisings. People who support these regimes and these actions or try to minimize their terror are tankies.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Tankie is definitely a newer term that hasn't hit the mainstream zeitgeist, I already see it thrown around on lemmy like how conservatives call everything "woke", just a matter of time imo.

To clarify, the other two are usually right wing smears, tankie appears to be a left wing smear to those further left. I know the idea behind it is fake leftists who are actually just Authoritarions but... Still lol that's how it goes with labels a lot of the time, especially the more niche it is

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Tankie has been a pretty common phrase at least since I was in college. I thought they were the folks who carried water for authoritians like Mao and Stalin. It's more specific than 'woke' or even 'liberal', in my experience it's more akin to calling someone maga or antivax; it confers specific positions. I've had friends who proudly identified with the term. Unless it's changed in meaning recently and I didn't get the memo.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 months ago

I see it thrown around on lemmy a LOT, just like how woke gets thrown around by the right, I'm not saying it doesn't have an actual "true" meaning, just that (like most labels as I mentioned and particularly those that are more specific/niche initially) it eventually gets bastardized and thrown around with the original specific meaning lost.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

That's because there are a LOT of tankies on lemmy, specifically lemmy.ml. In many threads anything slightly critical of Russia or China will get deleted and the users banned. It may have other meanings but that's what it means here: people carrying water for authoritarian regimes while LARPing as leftists.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

You have to be self aware enough to know it also gets thrown around like any other label incorrectly. It's just a way to ignore someone else's point and bandwagon.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

We, all of us, from all the places, need to get together and start our own county. I'd bring the liquor, though our friends from Germany may legitimately throw me out a window so I'll leave that to them.

In all seriousness, this is a situation where the minority are the loudest. Everywhere. In the U.S., Canada, South America, Europe and all the States within, we all want a better life. Do what those of us in the U.S. haven't been able to do and organize if you haven't. Despite the dumbasses over here flinging insults and threats, many of us are also hoping for the best across the old pond.

This situation with rising fascism is a world problem. It'd be awesome if we could, as a larger community, come together in stalwart support against something, and not just in support of each other.

Whatever you do just know we're fighting over here in the U.S. too. Many of us are so sick of being robbed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Anyway, this turned into a rant. I apologize.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

With liquor I think you'd be fine. It's beer that I have found Germans to be picky about. They will find a window to throw you out of if you hand them a Bud Light

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Bud Light

AKA Pisswasser.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I had it out with a friend of mine who has gone full fascist, spews all the fascist talk show rhetoric, refuses to back any of his claims. A traitor in my opinion, and he is no longer welcome in my life in any way.

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