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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 75 points 5 months ago

"Pro-democracy conservatives" in an antifascist coalition, y'all crack me up sometimes.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 25 points 5 months ago

Some Republican Secretaries of State, Mike Pence, military leaders, conservatives in the Justice Department, and similar not-real-inspiring-politically people were some of the most important ones who put the brakes on Trump's previous attempt at a for-real fascist takeover. Without them, I think there is an excellent chance that it would have worked, and we'd be currently living in a society which doesn't have functioning elections or protections for political speech in media or on the internet.

I do understand that our elections and our media right now are not fully free. But that doesn't mean every point on that spectrum is the same. People on the left sometimes like to say Reagan or Bush or Trump 1 or Obama or Biden are so oppressive that it all might as well be fascism, but people who lived through real totalitarian rule further down on the spectrum would tell you that no, no it is certainly not.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 5 points 5 months ago

Any of those Never-Trump Republicans going to vote for Biden? They seem to be very silent.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah. Team sports is a hell of a drug.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Check out The Bulwark. It's basically a bunch of people who still consider themselves conservatives but exclusively vote Democrat because Republicans are insane and/or fascists.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

And mad props to them for going against the cult. They're still moist likely regressive assholes, but they're principled regressive assholes and I can respect that.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

It's really interesting to see their insight on politics. I get the impression I wouldn't really like any of them in person, but their sense of humor about the time they spent working on GOP campaigns is endearing.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Eh. This describes my Dad, I guess. Life time "fiscal conservative" that voted Republican his entire life except 2016 and on. Possibly 2008 too, he was outraged at Palin and the Tea Party.

They exist.

But he was never a republican for the social conservatism side of things. Never watched Fox News or Rush Limbaugh or any of that garbage. And votes blue down ticket too because he accepts that the entire party is corrupted now.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 5 months ago

This is exactly why I can respect older, actual, conservatives and not the hate/fear driven fox viewers like my own father...

The older conservatives generally came to their conclusions in some ways "on their own" while current magas are just being emotionally manipulated and propagandized like crazy...

Obligatory: I FUCKING HATE PROPAGANDISTS!

this post was submitted on 12 Jun 2024
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