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So you're not voting? Or are you for some hack grifter like West?
I'll be voting in a way that most clearly sends the message to the Democrats why they lost my vote, which is voting Uncommitted for the presidential.
I am lucky enough to have a progressive running as a state rep to unseat a Republican so I'll be turning out for their sake mainly.
I'm sure the Democrats will consider your message carefully as Trump starts bombing those brown kids.
Parties cater to voters, not to non-voters. If the voters chose Trump, they will move towards his policies, including on Israel. You will achieve the opposite of what you want.
But I'm sure the Palestinians will appreciate the hollow gesture.
I can understand your principles, but the world, and specifically the US election system, doesn't give a shit about them. Not voting always results in the party you dislike most gaining an advantage. That is the net result of your actions.
Hold your nose if you must, but Palestinians can't afford a Republican president. Biden, for all his many faults, at least pushes for a peace.
Biden is already supplying all the bombs and bullets Israel needs, there's nothing worse Trump can do in this regard. US bombs are already killing Gazans and the Biden admin has shown no serious attempts at ending the genocide, the question is what kind of future conditions can be created within the Demicratic party to deter them from continuing to field pro-genocide candidates.
Unfortunately neoliberals have guarunteed this problem has no quick fix.
Which is why you're all so keen to suppress and deny the uncommitted vote, and instead continually try to reframe it as if people are simply staying home.
I vote reliably. Just never for genocide supporters. I'll submit a blank ballot if necessary to avoid that.
This is clearly a lie. You neither have principles nor understand their purpose. If someone is flexible on genocide support they're flexible on literally anything.
It's only a matter of time before you're operating in a frame where your practical policy positions are as extreme right as MAGA is in now and they've moved on to some other even more unimaginable extreme. It's already happening with immigration; Biden's anti-asylum schtick is literally indistinguishable from what Trump attempted during his term and was denied bybthe courts as illegal.
No. He doesn't. 50,000 starving children and 30,000 dead Gazans killed with US supplied weapons stand as testament to that. The only way the decades long genocide of Palestinians ends is if the Democratic party is coerced by their constituents into ending their support of it. Genocide needs to be a non-starter within the democratic ranks before anyone can pretend to be discussing real solutions to what the far right Israeli regime is doing.
I will be voting uncommitted for president. There isn't much Biden can do about that at this point, he lost his window to prove he cares about peace or even sees Palestians as human beings. Only slim chance is reform of the future DNC to try and prompt them to stop moving to the right, they're not equipped the face Israel right now.
There's nothing worse Trump can do??? With all due respect, but that sounds horribly naive. I fear you do not understand the real-world consequences of your non-vote here. Trump will come to power, and he'll give Israel carte-blanche in Gaza, and possibly even provide direct military support (e.g. US soldiers on the ground or US airstrikes to provide support). The casualties will start racking up much faster than they do now. A Trump presidency allows Israel to go full mask-off.
In a two-party system, not voting isn't an option. You risk giving power to the most pro-genocide candidate here. It sucks massive balls but it is the reality of the US electoral system. Your principles make a full-on genocide more likely to happen.
There's a peace plan brokered by Biden that's been accepted by Israel and that Hamas appears to be receptive to. It would end the genocide happening immediately. Trump is unlikely to make such efforts.
Your non-vote will further the genocide. That's reality. I hope your principles can cope with that.
They have cart-blanche right now under Biden. Him mumbling vaguely about a red line means nothing.
They're already using US bombs, what do the Gazans care if it falls out of an American plane to? Maybe if we write on the side "This is a Republican-sent bomb" that'll absolve Democrats, huh?
Israel has refused every ceasefire proposal that has come up because they think anything but the destructions of Hamas (and impossibility without killing everyone in Gaza) is the only way they save face.
The logistics of how Trump continuee enabling Israel don't really interest me. If Biden wants to prove he's resisting the genocide he needs to materially prove it with sanctions and aid withdrawl. Wringing his hands isn't cutting it.
If you think Israel has carte-blanche under Biden, then you're in for a rude awakening. Netanyahu is openly courting Republicans, because Biden doesn't allow him to do everything he'd like to do. Military operations in Rafah remain limited, because of Biden's pressure. Aid keeps trickling in because Biden set up the logistics to do so.
No, it's not perfect. And he isn't doing what you'd like him to do. But he does prevent worse, and Trump will do (and has promised to do) so much worse.
50,000 children are suffering from acute starvation, 30,000 people have been killed. There isn't a hospiral or school or university left standing, all of Gazas infrastructure is rubble.
There is no line. You complete clown.