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Porque no los Dos?
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Jokes aside, I think the correct one should be "binaria" because it's "persona no-binaria", where "persona" being a female-gendered word still includes everybody (persono doesn't even exist).
Really, if you replace "gender of the person" to "gender of the noun", ChatGPT is correct.
It's people who can be little more picky about pronouns and stuff
Precisely. It is “el género no binario” or “la persona no binaria”. It has nothing to do with the person, just the nouns. As “binario/a” is an adjective, it has no gender on its own.
This legitimately trips up learners. How if the noun is female, it's correct to use feminine articles/pronouns/etc regardless of the person's gender, even if you know they're male. (or vice-versa).
That and plurals defaulting to male.
Just be careful, because the person can be the noun, then the adjective takes on the person's desired gender.
Except when referring to a group of women. Like “Dos profesoras”
It might be, you know, hear me out, that "grammatical gender" is a historical misnomer caused by linguistics initially practically only looking at Indo-European languages, which tend to have three noun classes with the word for "woman", "man", and "thing" all being in a different category so they became known as feminine, masculine, and neuter, with words assigned to them pseudo-randomly via phonetics. But really noun classes are a much more general thing, Bantu languages have up to 20. Persons, fruits, plants, locations, such things.
At least in Indo-European languages it's mostly about ease of reference: "I see a cup and a table. She is broken". Assuming that cup is female and table male (as in German) that is a very clear and concise statement.
As someone currently learning, this is really useful to know
And if the noun is a person's name? Then how do you determine whether to use the masculine or feminine version of non-binary?
I think the default or mixed gender plural is the masculine io ending. Them's the rules of Spanish, as I was taught.
The current proposal is to use an “e” ending. “mi amigue Charlie es no binarie”.
it's incredible that you can frequently make chatgpt correct by changing some of the words to make it correct.
Native speaker here and no, that wouldn't be correct as a general rule. The most typical would be talking about or someone else like "yo soy no binario/a" and "yo" would be a he or a she depending on who is saying that. If you're talking about someone else it's "el/ella es no binario/a" for example.
The point of being non-binary, though, is that they are neither "he" nor "she". Hence the post.
On one hand, you're right. On the other, Spanish does not work like that. There's no gender neutral term for people.
Spanish always knows
El es no binario
Ella es no binaria
You see, easy peasy
Also a native speaker here. You can also just not specify "el/Ella" because the context isn't relevant. I.e. "es no binaria". You can also just pluralize the person to get around gendered wording, I.e. "ya llegaron" for "they have arrived" rather than "el/Ella ya llego" for he/she has arrived, but this is informal and may sound odd to someone of a different dialect from me, but I think this should at least be intelligible to Latin american Spanish dialects
Except that in spanish we don't have a gender neutral term so you either explicitly or implicitly have to say el/ella. But yeah, in hindsight it does make sense (semantically) to say "binaria" as if you were referring to them as "personA"
Not only informal but a bit disrespectful, by saying ya llegaron to one person, it's like adding disdain to them.
It's easier to say llegó + nombre de la persona
ie: llegó Juana, llegó Pedro
And so on
Persona non bueno
Persona is bueno. Can't get more neutral than that