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I was listening to a football podcast (they go off topic in the offseason because there isn't a lot to talk about), and they had a whole rant about how Pam Beasley is a monster.
Because she was friends with Jim while dating Roy. (Yeah him having feelings for her wasn't exactly a shocker, but it's different when it's you. And she shut him down clearly when he actually made a move.)
Because she did the art school thing, I guess?
Because she was sad when Jim was dating Karen. (She did genuinely try to be her friend despite that, and went to cry in a corner alone.)
And because there was tension when Jim did Athlead. (Which if you actually watch, was him biting her head off when she messed up with a video of a recital, and him instigating a couple other times, presumably because of the stress of the situation, while she was being run ragged as almost a single mother at home.)
And because apparently chasing your dreams going to New York to go to art school while in a relationship is the same as doing it when you're actually married and have kids. But she didn't bend over backward enough to support him I guess?
It's just really weird to me, and he's not the only one with that weird twist on the character. (No she's not perfect. Sitcoms are all characters who are kind of monsters. But her as the bad guy doesn't make sense.)
Yeah. I also find the relationship has a lot more dysfunction on Jim's part than fans want to admit. Jim wouldn't cheat on Pam, but Jim makes several life changing decisions without Pam and gets angry if Pam doesn't go along with them.
To be fair, I don't think he's actually a bad dude either. Again, flawed, but reasonably well intentioned.
The "worst" thing they did was definitely developing feelings while she's engaged to Roy, but most of that was the nature of working in close proximity. It's inherently different than sneaking around to spend "platonic" time together for a bunch of hours by choice. He had feelings, but mostly didn't cross the line. I don't think he's a terrible person for laying his feelings on the line when she's engaged to someone he doesn't like either. Actually married is the line where it moves to completely not OK.
But yeah, the whole end thing really wasn't anyone being awful. He unilaterally made some decisions that should have been a partnership, and he was wrong to put that much stress on her without talking to her and hearing her. Because they had kids, primarily. But he did recognize that and came back and made the commitment to their family. Then, once she had time to actually breathe again, she was ready to take the leap with him.
That was longer than I meant it to be again lol. But I was surprised to hear the take (and that it was more popular than I'd guess) because it genuinely never occurred to me. She was in pretty deep and he was lashing out from the stress of the situation before she even vocalized her problems with it. (At least from what we see.)