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They forget how many of us gun owning liberals there are. They think they can bully everyone around because they think they own all the guns thus the upper hand. They're are far too dense to realize they're entirely wrong. We just don't make it our entire personality. I don't feel the need to put my guns on display to prove to people I don't even know what a MaNlY rUgGeD BaDaSs I am. That's not why i own them. I very much enjoy the sport and technical knowledge and focus required to hit the target in different situations. I want to be perceived as a loving husband and a kind and honorable man and friend. Those two things are at odds. Or maybe I'm just not insecure about my masculinity.
I have been staunchly anti-gun personally, but it feels like it's time to arm myself. The threats are becoming credible.
I was anti-gun up until about 3 years ago, but I’ve been training semi-regularly since they began making these types of threats. I also have good reason to believe they’re more than just threats, but actual plans. I would encourage you to start getting familiar with firearms and train sooner than later. A lot of people have a misconception that you can just pick one up, aim, and fire but there’s significantly more to it than that.
Don't just "arm yourself". Learn how to safely handle and use it and practice practice practice. Somewhere there is a Fascist that wants to kill you and they are practicing. So practice yourself.
You can bear arms, or you can arm bears. It’s your choice.
If I have a choice between an AR-15 and an attack bear, I'm going with the attack bear. Plus, it will enjoy belly scritches on its off hours. If you scritch an AR-15's belly, it doesn't kick its leg.
Always choose the bear.
I hope you do realize that this means you've been wrong all the time. Because the main political argument for gun ownership is such events exactly.
No, I haven't been, and that's why I said personally. The reason why I never wanted a gun in my house is because of looking at the statistics of who is by far the most likely to get shot by that gun. [Either me or my spouse.]
I am all for responsible gun ownership and made the personal choice not to get one because the threat of my government has not been a credible threat. That is changing, which is why I am trying to decide to make the personal choice to get one. The increased risk to both myself and my spouse is nearing the tipping point where NOT having one is a greater risk from my government.
Ah. Same here. Though I can't get a legal one here anyway, because Russian laws make no difference between ADHD, ASD and schizophrenia for the purpose of getting a permit.
I misunderstood that "anti-gun personally", cause not wanting a gun in your own house doesn't mean being anti-gun. One thing is about whether the choice is on your side or on the government's, the other is what would you choose.
No worries! I know it's hard to convey those levels of nuance in these conversations, especially with how quick everyone is to jump to one side or the other.
Our guns won’t matter… all that will matter will be whose side our military’s guns are on. If they try to oppose the US military they will loose, if they have the US military on their side, they will win.
Nobody but my immediate family and close friends and people I go shooting with know I have firearms. And I will keep it that way. I don't want anyone breaking into my house to steal my guns.
If you buy a gun safe (always recommend) cut up the box before you throw it away. Most gun safes have a distinct look to the box and a few even say what they are in the outside.
Don’t need anyone knowing what’s in my house.
Without an organization and leadership to coordinate action, that's not particularly useful.
Movement conservatism is scary because it's a movement, not just a bunch of nutjobs who all happen to own guns.
Guerilla warfare is incredibly effective. The only thing that has a chance of overcoming it is coordinated national military might, and even then its a shitshow.
Seeing as the military is at about a 45/55 liberal/conservative split, with the majority of officers being liberal, they dont even have that on lockdown.
Kids love to read about the American Revolution, Vietnam and Afghanistan, or the Cuban Revolt (that finally succeeded). They're less excited to read about Grenada, Guatamala, the Spanish Republicans, the Hungarian Revolt, the century of Cuban revolutions that failed, the American Confederacy, the Battle of Blair Mountain, the Greek Civil War, the Philippines, or the American Natives.
Guerrilla Warfare is incredibly bloody affair. Rebels rarely live to see the revolt successfully concluded even when it does succeed. The problem with wars of attrition are that they get a lot of their participants killed.
Who here actually wants to die for their cause?
i'm getting old. there's worse ways to die.
When people I know and love are being threatened with violence and death for a cause they aren't even fighting for? Yeah, I'll roll those dice.
All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Gangs die for less. Fred Hampton was going to give them a cause and make them into freedom fighters, and that made the government very very scared.
Speaking as someone who has spent years in a gang, I'm guessing?
Nah, more like some dead family members from gang violence (I had a dumb but lovable cousin). But you're right, I can't really say whether they're dieing for a cause, I meant it more as "dieing for a lesser cause" than emancipation.
Neither do they. Their "leadership" scattered before anyone got into the Capital on Jan6th and the pawns scattered when the first one of these died.
There is plenty of leadership and coordination, just not for this purpose. People adapt. I hope it may not be necessary for that to happen, but I know plenty of people who are excellent community organizers. All they need is to change what they teach at their outreach classes.
Under a fascist leadership, they adapt by becoming more accommodating to fascists and more allergic to liberal democracy.
I agree in theory. But in practice, it seems any kind of militant liberalism gets dismissed as "both sides" or denounced as "being a tankie".
I think people recognize this time around it’s different. Maybe not all people will recognize the importance of resisting, but a lot of my friends are in the groups that will be targeted by conservatives. And I don’t think they will idly stand by.