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I would be wary of an ethnostate’s offer if you weren’t part of that ethnicity
Much safer to take Russia’s offer
Please do it AFTER Pu and his mafia dies, goes to Hauge or convicted domestically. Thanks.
In what sense is China an ethnostate?
Prop Chinese up as superior
Eradicating local culture in Tibet and Xinjiang
Enforcing Mandarin
Except they still have their culture. We know what eradication of a culture looks like, it looks like schools that ban the use of native languages, instead of teach in them.
~98% of Tibetans speak a Tibetan language.
Everyone in China learns Mandarin in additional to their local language, how else are they supposed to communicate with people from other parts of China?
In my country people can’t communicate with others. We make it work
What country? Surely you don't mean Canada where native schools teach in english?
And French schools teach French
Are you mentally deficient?
Is replacing textbooks with Mandarin texts just half-eradication, then?
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3100112/inner-mongolia-doubles-down-chinas-plan-teach-key-subjects
Turns out it's hard to teach Chinese literature, ethics, and history when you can't interact with the primary sources.
That's the core question then: should Mongolian children be made to learn Chinese literature, ethics, and history instead of Mongolian literature, ethics, and history?
They should learn both. But as an American, it's laughable for me to have an opinion on the matter given the way indigenous people are treated here.
I have real strong opinions about how indigenous people are treated here, why wouldn't I have those opinions about other nonruling groups?
2 reasons:
The reletive silence suggests most people who talk about minority rights in China don't actually care about minorities rights, because I see >100 "but what about the uhigars or women in Iran" or w/e for every post about the poisoning of Hawaiian or Dakota water.
We can actually have positive impacts on native Americans, when it comes to minorities in enemies of America, it's just carrying water for hostile action that hurt those people as much as anyone else. A productive context for that discussion wouldn't involve Americans.
Same when articles trot out LGBT rights in Gaza or Iran or Russia as if those groups don't suffer from hunger and lack of medicine due to western sanctions.
Disagreed with #2. I think it'd be pretty nice if Canada or Europe pushed on America to grant more rights and justice to its indigenous groups (see things like the UN special rapporteur on poverty in the US). We're pretty powerless against our government and external sources, for as little as they can penetrate the US media bubble, give us some ammunition to use to coerce the local governments.
Canada is just as bad, and not just the basic stuff like poisoning their drinking water and the state stealing children. Ask an old first nations person to tell you about the history, things like starlight tours and child abduction that make it into the official narrative is just the tip of the ice burg.
But Canada or Europe pressuring America would be completely different, since Canada or Europe aren't using it to make their population more accepting of sanctions, bombing, or invasion of America.
That's true, but we're infinitely less influential of other governments. Mohammed Mokhber isn't gonna log on, see americans furious with the Iranian government's treatment of gay people and say "Oh shit gays are just as deserving of human rights", nor will Biden read it and announce all gay Iranians are eligible for asylum. Rather Americans log in, go "look at those barbarians", and support sanctions, bombing, and invasion.
The same mechanism is why media outlets that support the the genocide of Gaza also run articles decrying the plight of gay people in Gaza.
The 91% Han Chinese sense..
I wouldn't say that makes them an ethnostate (considering the obvious genetic, cultural, and language diversity among Han ethnicities) but the forced Mandarin and Uyghur re-education camps are better arguments
"Ethnostate - noun. a state that is dominated by members of a single ethnic group." That exactly makes them an Ethnostate. Mandarin and Uyghur re-education camps is authoritarianism.
Han Chinese isn't a single ethnic group. They don't speak the same language and they're genetically and culturally diverse. The CCP is attempting to erase that diversity to become an ethnostate.
Just because you disagree with a definition, doesn't mean it's wrong.
Every country is culturally diverse, but there's still statistical common denominator. You have big differences in languages, accents, food, culture in the UK and yet 82% are white British. Same goes for Germany, Japan etc. Every country do their demographic analyses differently, but the point is that they all can have major differences within the same ethic group.
So we should either agree to use the same definition or agree that it has no meaning and not use that word at all.
I agree with your definition of ethnostate and everything you said. But Han Chinese is strictly not a single ethnicity and it is purely to the CCP's advantage to say it is.
edit: Han is what we might call a race, in that it's a bunch of distinct ethnicities bundled together via social construct for the purposes of allying that group of ethnicities against the others. So China is a racist state, but not an ethnostate, because an ethnostate is "a state that is dominated by members of a single ethnic group."