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i really do not understand how you're making that distinction. is it "anything specifically earmarked for retirement" is okay and all other investments beyond that aren't okay? what about college funds for children?
another point: it's perfectly conceivable to invest for the future outside a retirement account and still use those proceeds for survival. What if you need expensive medical treatment in your old age and that's the only way you're able to pay for it?
Oh, if it's for your kids' college fund, invest in whatever you want, they obviously deserve more off the value the workers produce than the workers, they are so cute
???? do you think that if someone doesn't invest in a company that share of surplus value is just given back to the worker? it's never going to the worker in the first place under capitalism.
100% of the value the worker produces belongs to the worker, this is at least my basis for Marxist thought
And this is the first reason for our activism, it should
I don't know if you have read Marx's Critique of the Gotha Programme, but if not I want to quote this part that feels relevant to what your saying. Mainly just that even under a socialist state, the value produced by the worker isn't gonna 100% belong to them.
Critique of the Gotha Programme
A single worker doesn't produce 100% of the value, but 100% of the value is produced by the workers and 0% by the investors
I think you're missing my point. I'm not arguing value isn't produced by the workers. I'm more saying if you think that surplus value is gonna go back into the workers that made it, that not entirely correct. Since as Marx points out, there would be deductions made and such like for the total working class, but someone making surplus-value isn't gonna get 100% of it back. Also to point something else out. Nature is a source of value to just as much as labor is.
Sorry, reading back my reply it sounds way more antagonistic than I intended
I agree with everything you said, my point was just that the current investment market is not the same as paying back a portion of the value you produce
Okay, sorry for being aggressive and yea it def. isn't the same
lol what a mature way of dealing with active questions that play a factor in our daily life, and could be the thing blocking a parent from being a communist.
The parents couldn't be communists if they can't agree with the most basic tenets of Marxism