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Donald Trump Does Not Get Post-Shooting Poll Boost
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The GOP game is actually how can we discourage the democrats from showing up because the core republican base is going to show up anyway.
Making voting harder favors the GOP.
Nothing has changed. Biden (or whoever the Democratic nominee is) will win the popular vote, Trump will win the electoral college, and America loses.
Exactly. I didn't buy the whole "Trump just secured his spot" headlines
They don't represent my best interests even a little bit. My state will cast all its electoral ballots for Trump.
I'm going to vote Green. If they get 5% then a hard left platform will be on every American ballot in 2028. That'll turn Democrats left. Or, a Justice Democrat jump ship and split the vote.
Ballot access '28 is actual leverage on the system. Better than wasting my vote on literally no change in the outcome while endorsing either of the fuckwads who can't even deliver lines.
Third election, same thing. Hoping the masses learn how their system works eventually.
edit: There's lots of down votes without explanation. This is why everything sucks: No one wants to learn and sacrifice anymore.
My take on the down votes is that it is dangerous to spread ideas about voting third party in a democracy with an election system that mechanically only supports two parties.
Even if you're in a "safe" state, people from states that are more in the margins may hear the sentiment and want to participate out of principle. It makes the opposition more likely to win.
If we want the Democrats to win in the end, it's safer to be pushing for engagement on all fronts. That's what the Republicans are doing and they can actually be trusted to vote.
Even after understanding, you head right back to the bullshit they feed us.
I don't give a flying fuck about Democrats. I want me and the vast majority of Americans to win.
I think you are misunderstanding how the election system works. It is the Democrats vs Republicans and nothing else until a third party can get big enough to overtake one of the two and then it's still just two major parties.
Save your energy for reforming the election system and then advocate for what you want. We have to be realistic here.
You're entrenched in a false dichotomy seeking bandwagon validation. I won't give it to you for your own good.
I hope you are happy helping the Republicans win
My vote for President has no impact on the outcome.
You're getting downvoted because thinking that Green getting 5% of the vote will cause Democrats to pull left is a laughable fantasy. Nothing that any 3rd parties do affect their decisions or their overall platform. It's all about money. You have a better chance of affecting Democratic or Republican policy if you donate a million dollars to one of their fundraisers than you do voting for Green, Libertarian, Independent, or whatever else for the rest of your entire life.
Without ranked or approval-based voting reform, nothing will ever split up the political duopoly in this country. We should be focusing our efforts on that, starting with local elections and working our way up. Down ballot races are arguably more impactful to your day-to-day life than which ass ends up in the Oval Office chair.
I get that voting while living in a state that is guaranteed to break for Trump or Biden feels like an exercise in futility. I'm not here to convince you to change your vote to Dem or Rep, you should feel entitled to do what you want with your vote, but stop pretending like throwing away your vote on the 3rd party candidate with no chance of winning and patting yourself on the back is some noble endeavor.
If their platform, which is what Sanders watered down twice, is on every American's ballot in 2028, then the Democrats will be forced left because they can't weed out the choice in their crooked primary like they've done twice already.
The rest of your reply falsely equates my premise that Democrats will be forced left to a third party victory. It's strawman, bad faith.
You asked for an explanation and I gave you one. Keep on dreaming that the only thing keeping Democratic establishment where they are on the political spectrum is that magic 5% number you tossed out and not the oodles of cash that their corporate donors supply them to keep things as they are.
Your explanation lacks nuance and includes logical fallacy. My 14 year old nephew would see right through it and be able to explain why.
I remain unconvinced.
I vote left in primaries and Dem in generals.
If we get some ranked choice then it will be different. Until then, we gotta play it safe.
Playing it safe is how we got here, apathetic moderate.
Reckless accelerationism is the effective altruism of the left.
Bewildering, lukewarm understanding is the effective altruism of the neolibs.
If I lived in a purple state I'd vote Democrat for President to attempt short term harm reduction. I don't even believe in it. But, I'd do it for the most underprivileged who can't risk the alternative. If I lived in a blue state it'd depend on the nuance of the situation.
But, I live in a deep red state. My vote for President has absolutely no effect on the outcome of this election. I learned and reasoned a way to possibly empower the change most Democratic voters want to see in the next election. I don't care about Green any more than Democrats, except that Green has a nice simple platform that they've been loyal to for decades and I agree with.
But, everyone thinks everyone else is too stupid to understand a couple paragraphs and choose wisely for themselves. That's why everything sucks. We don't trust each other at all.