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PS.

I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.

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[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

The problem with this meme is that it's written by a shelter middle class white person. Minorities and poor people HAVE been dying due to Democrats' capitation and appeasement to Republicans for years now.

[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's extremely simplistic. The complicated truth is:

  1. It's a law of political science (Duverger's specifically) that a first-past-the-post system leads large, mass-appeal parties, and parties that don't go for mass appeal will fail.
  2. In the US, the political balance is further pushed to the right by a) unequal representation that typically favors rural states and districts, most egregiously in the Senate, and b) denial of representation to particularly blue parts of the country like PR and DC. This means that relative to the country, Democrats cannot be as far left as Republicans are far right and still hold power. This can be observed in the simple fact that in the 21st century, Democrats have won 5/6 national popular votes, but have only controlled the Senate in 4/12 sessions.
  3. From 1 and 2, it follows that Democrats would effectively lose what little political power they have by taking a firm leftist stance, leading to effectively a one-party far right state.
[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

How can you discuss the flaws of First past the post and NOT want to change the voting system?

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Its not that we dont, but that we effectively cant. That requires a Constitutional amendment, which requires a two-thirds vote.in both the house and senate

[-] MarciaLynnDorsett@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

duverger's "law" is basically a tautology. it does not have predictive power.

[-] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

You're right, minorities and poor people have suffered and some died while Democrats were ostensibly in charge. What do you propose an American does on election day?

Barring a cataclysmic reordering of American politics, it's still true that voting for anyone but the Democratic candidate will increase the odds of Trump winning. Trump is a blatant liar, corrupt, rapist, and racist. He's promised to enact revenge on those he perceives as his enemies, and his proposed policies will cause suffering an order of magnitude more than what is already unjustly inflicted on minorities and the poor.

It sucks. We should have good candidates to choose from. We should have ranked choice voting and a multi-party system, but we don't.

It's inflicting harm on yourself and many others to do anything other than vote Democrat in November. There's more we can do than vote, but that's a bare minimum.

[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

So… to summarize, conservatives are killing people, the democrats AREN’T killing people, but not doing enough to stop the people from being killed, sooooooo….

It’s best to just not try and stop the conservatives from killing more people?

Do I have that right?

[-] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

the democrats AREN’T killing people, but not doing enough to stop the people from being killed

Biden is actively aiding and abetting the genocide by sending munitions and tens of billions of dollars of war funding to Israel, and using America’s UN security council veto to prevent the UN from acting.

[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Sigh…. Again-

Trump will do FAR worse. You know this. Everyone knows this. Biden is trying to put the brakes on things there and being diplomatic with Israel is not the easiest thing to do. You know damn well that if he tried to stop it, congress wouldn’t just block that from happening.

You people don’t ever seem to understand how politics work. You think knits just so easy to simply stop doing something.

Donnie “finish the job” Trump WANTS to support Israel. And if you get your way, he’s going to-

So stop with the bleeding heart bullshit. I’m not buying it. If you cared, you do whatever it takes to keep Trump from winning the White House.

[-] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

You know damn well that if he tried to stop it, congress wouldn’t just block that from happening.

Congress has no control over the US using its Security Council veto to protect Israel at the UN.

That’s all Biden’s doing alone.

[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago
[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago

Ahhh, right. You’re putting the Edgelord’s “you agreed with me because you aren’t offering an argument!” card into play.

Whatever makes to feel like you’re not part of the problem dude. I said what needed be said. I’m not entering ignorance any longer.

[-] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

You said “okay”. That generally indicates agreement.

Are you not agreeing with me? What did I say that you disagree with?

[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago

Now look up what okay buddy means.

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago

Youre missing that those are literallynthe only two options that are available, and changing that is politically impossible

[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Oh I’m not missng anything. What I’m seeing is a lot of people that don’t under how shit works.

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago

The projection is real

Oh shit. I found Candace Owens account!

[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago

Huh? Candance Owens downplays minorities' struggles, much like Democrat toadies like yourself.

Except your are parroting her rhetoric.... so I guess you're down playing minority struggles.

[-] MarciaLynnDorsett@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

she has never said that the problem with democrats is that they are too much like republicans.

[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago

Nah, plenty of people besides her say this. You'd know this if you ever actually listened to the minorities you demand blindly vote for you.

This is the most devisive argument I've encountered today. I can only imagine that a republican would be this divisive. Now I know.

[-] drislands@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I took a look at their profile. Best as I can tell they're either a tankie or one of those "both sides" kids. You know the type. Not worth engaging with, IMO.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 1 points 4 months ago

I feel like both groups fall under the idiotic umbrella of Republican.

Idk what tankies have to say about it, they're cut from the same cloth as the maga chuds.

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