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Joe Biden has reportedly become more open in recent days to hearing arguments that he should step aside as the Democratic presidential candidate after the party’s two main congressional leaders told him they doubted his ability to beat Donald Trump.

While continuing to insist he will be the party’s nominee in November, the president has reportedly started asking questions about negative polling data and whether Vice-President Kamala Harris, considered the favourite to replace him if were to withdraw, fares better.

The indications of a possible rethink come after Biden tested positive on Wednesday for Covid-19, forcing him to isolate for several days while curtailing a campaigning visit to Nevada that had been part of a drive to show his candidacy was very much alive.

It also coincides with fresh polling data showing that he now trails Trump by two points in Virginia, a state he won by 10 points in 2020.

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[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

Yes, surely bypassing the current VP who is both black and a woman in favor of a white man will go over super well.

It's Harris or Biden. That's the choice.

[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 17 points 4 months ago

Since I never hear anything about this angle-

The other reason it kinda "has to" be Harris if it isn't Biden, relates to campaign finance rules. If he steps aside, she can continue to use their campaign funds.

If it's neither, then whoever is nominated basically has to start fresh raising money, and with a huge time disadvantage.

[-] Wisely@feddit.de 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not only that but Republicans have already said they would take it to the supreme court if anyone else is on the ballot.

Plus a completely new person might not even be on the ballot in multiple states being this late into the process. Harris can keep all the donations and is certified to be on the ballots.

[-] idiomaddict@feddit.de 1 points 4 months ago

Is that true regardless of her VP?

[-] Wisely@feddit.de 1 points 4 months ago

Yes as president she can select whoever she wants as VP.

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 1 points 4 months ago

ELIF why they'd have to raise money? Campaign money is used to campaign, which you also said they wouldn't have much time to do. So... Why would they need gobs of money?

[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago

Not a campaign expert, but there are tons of things that political campaigns need to do in the 3 months leading up to an election -

Conduct national and local ad buys on TV, radio, and social media.

Orchestrate volunteers to call voters and knock doors.

Print promotional materials such as signs and shirts.

Conduct candidate appearances (speeches, public forums, rallys) which includes travel costs, event space, logistics.

Coordinate and encourage voter turn out (includes a lot of research, planning, data analysis).

Prepare any legal challenges related to the ballots and election procedures (this could get very complicated and expensive in a national campaign as there are so many venues; Imagine having to retain teams of lawyers and potentially file suits in all 50 states).

All that stuff costs money. Usually a re-elect campaign has years to raise money so jettisoning the entire warchest with 3 months left isn't a good idea. Granted there is so much PAC money in national races, maybe it doesn't matter as much as it used to.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago

No it fucking isn't. The only thing Harris is good at is being an argument that Biden should stay in the race because she'd lose it even worse.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ok, so voter groups aren't monolithic but do you honestly think the optics of passing over a black woman who currently is #2 to have two wholly unrelated candidates be on the ballot (or keeping her as the VP choice) will be lost on black voters?

Just like everyone else here- people are throwing out wishlist bullshit without thinking of the actual political ramifications.

If you were to listen to half the people here you'd have tossed the incumbency advantage even before Biden did that debate, nominated AOC, and ensured a Mondale style wipeout repeat.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

I think that Harris is an extremely hard sell as a former prosecutor who has really poor approval polling. If we made sure the ticket included someone who has done real work for minority communities then I don't think it'd be a serious issue.

I was strongly opposed to Harris getting the VP slot in the first place and I think she'd genuinely struggle to win against Trump.

[-] Wisely@feddit.de 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I never liked Harris because she ran against Bernie and she seemed very fake and forced in 2019, on top of the prosecutor stuff making me think she was moderate.

However recently I actually looked at her voting record in the senate. She is more progressive with her votes than 99% of the senate, and there are only 100 of them. Right up there side by side with Bernie. She is even an original backer of the Green New Deal.

She has also seemed to have relaxed some, seems way less forced. Most importantly she isn't in her 80's and can actually complete sentences unlike anyone else running this decade.

The prosecutor stuff was a long time ago, and she has already been voted in as VP to step up for Biden if he gets too old. The tough on crime stuff might actually help her with independents and conservatives who don't like Trump.

https://voteview.com/person/41701/kamala-devi-harris

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