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It's joever joever
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Congrats on propagating a fascist meme, good job working for the enemy so hard.
You certainly are angry. I don't know why saying it's over for Biden at this point could help fascists, especially since him stepping down is a good thing. We were fucked if he didn't, as he was already not a great candidate before the debate.
Harris might be a cop, but she's acceptable. Applying the same standards to her as any other candidate, she doesn't suck on policy. She's fundamentally a Dem, but she's at the upper end of the curve. She actually made effective points against Biden in the primary debates. If I had to pick a conservatives Dem in 2020 out of Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Biden, and her, I'd go with her.
My anger is medical and highly resistant to treatment, thank you.
The tone the meme conveys erodes resolve and countenance, which is so critical for Harris to accrue right now. I agree Biden was not a great candidate, I voted for him out of necessity and frankly I would have voted for Harris even more enthusiastically if she had been the candidate in 2020 though moreso for Buttigieg.
That said, this country, even among progressives, is unusually racist and sexist. Harris has a tough hill to climb and only weeks to do it in.
Let us use our meme magic to make her way easy. Or at least to give her opposition as little ammo as possible.
I call this a fascist meme because the format has been co-opted by the alt-right, and while I cannot claim your intentions, I err on the side of humanity and do not assume you are a deliberate forum slider. But it WILL be used by dedicated forum sliders to erode Harris's positon.
That's an excuse but not an apology. No need to be a dick to people, and if you are a dick, no need to be so unrepentant.
Who the FUCK are YOU to tell ME to apologize? I have done zero to require it.
I will NOT be a victim of your manipulative shame jail.
Dude... you came out of the gate trying to shame OP and being hostile towards everyone else.
I'm marking your reports and the reports against you as resolved for now... But I'm letting you know, the rules page may not specifically say "don't be uncivil" but we generally don't tolerate hostility. c/196 is supposed to be a safe place first and foremost, and a place for good vibes secondmost... And I'm sorry, but your replies go against both of those things regardless of if you have a condition that makes it difficult. If the hostility continues, we may decide to remove your replies, and depending on the severity we may issue temporary bans.
If you ever need help expressing something you feel is difficult to say respectfully, my inbox is always open and I'm always willing to help. Believe me I've read things here that make my blood boil too, but there's always a way to fire back and still be civil.
Ban me idgaf this is just reddit all over again.
No thanks, just blocking your sub and the majority of people that post in it.
Ta.
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Sorry.
See, it's that easy.
I have zero things to apologize to anyone in this sub for.
Do you believe that should give you a pass to take it out on any random Lemming who says anything that could possibly be misinterpreted?
Further, the meme format depicted here was created by an autistic person for memes specifically pertaining to autism and I have never seen it used in any context besides that.
Expounding on that point, the meme reads to me (and, I'd argue, to any reasonable person) that OP is humorously commenting on how their brain defaults to parsing the word "joever" and nothing more.
Who the fuck are you to police my motives? I'm warning you so you know what you're dealing with.
Yes, and EVERY meme the alt-right co-opts comes from innocent and progressive sources. *gestures frantically at Pepe and Doge*
That's how they operate. They take the works of others and twist them to serve their frat boy purposes.
But this format very much isn't right wing. It's overwhelmingly used by the left.
Seriously though. I've personally never seen the right use this format, mostly seeing it used by transfems as a more affirming alternative to the Drake meme. This is the base meme under the text boxes:
If you flatly refuse to take accountability for the vitriol you post, please consider not posting at all.
Dude it's a pun.
Yes.
A pun that is fascist propaganda.
Not everything is propaganda my guy
A lot of human created things are actually, if you take the definition of propaganda as 'art that is intended to inspire an ulterior interpretation to manipulate the experiencer into mirroring the ideals of said ulterior interpretation.
Love songs, for example, are certainly propaganda.
They're extensions of the mating ritual, were each partner competes by inflating their best traits and minimizing their worst, usually coached in flowery metaphorical words that reference the act of physical lovemaking to convince their chosen partner to consider the act.
Nearly all advertising is propaganda.
Hell even charities use propaganda to increase donations.
High school football teams use propaganda to hype up the crowd and to inspire the player.
Not all propaganda is bad.
But propaganda that forwards fascist goals and ideologies ARE bad, and will ALWAYS be bad.
The alt-right have co-opted the format posted by OP, and I guarantee it will surface in other places to undermine Harris's campaign.
While you are technically correct, most of the examples you've mentioned have more appropriate descriptive words I'd say.
You'll find no argument from me on these for sure lol
Problem is, factions we like also use propaganda and sometimes against us. I know everyone does it but I feel we should be above it. But then I am not a good pattern of brain to base general human behavior on.
It seems like you define propaganda as any type of persuasive communication, with your labeling of persuasive language as propaganda being a clear example of what you're describing. Much like when fascists use vague words with negative connotations, you use charged words rather than explicit points to argue that my meme is dangerous. You haven't shown how it's inherently tainted besides saying that your observations overrule ours.
I want Harris to succeed and I don't think this meme hurts her. Joe is out of the way, so now we need to get behind a candidate and win. I used a meme that has been common amongst queer people and leftists to make a semantic joke, and I'm not sorry that you can't tolerate it. I'm already careful to not create memes that can be easily misused, so I know this isn't one of them.
I'm annoyed that you're taking out your anger on us, regardless of how sympathetic you might be. What did we do to warrant this hostility? What are you accomplishing? It's just not ok to treat other people like shit, and if you aren't gonna attempt to redirect your anger or avoid lashing out at us, you're just being abusive. We have no duty to put up with it, so if it continues, you should get banned. Even if you are correct in your points, don't be an ass.
No I specified the requirement of an ulterior motive, but since you just glossed over that part deliberately to make a terribly written argument, I have now excised you from my lemmy experience forever.
Oh, ok. Now you're reported too.
Have a day.