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In order to vote, I think American voters should have to pass the same history test that immigrants need to in order to gain citizenship.
edit: This sits at +11 because Americans don't know their history. We already did it to African Americans and it went extremely poorly. That's the point: Pick up a book.
I wouldn't go there if I were you.
Give that test to everyone. It's just basic reading comprehension with a simple logic question and a simple math question. Even just that would disenfranchise the vast majority of American voters.
My point wasn't that a test is a good thing. It's an incredibly horrible idea.
My point is that the vast majority of Americans know less of their history than their immigrants. And, the vast majority of Americans are now in favor of repeating one mistake or the other because they don't know their history.
My evidence is that my suggestion above is predominantly upvoted.
They gave the test to everyone then too. They just decided who passed and who didn't. Why do you think it will be different this time?
automated objective scoring
You didn't read my post. You're strawmanning. Not your style.
Automated by whom? Objective according to whom?
You're still bashing that straw man you made.
Look up. You made a mistake. And, if it wasn't you I'd simply block.
Bud, that isn't what a straw man is. Like, at all.
And "objective computer analysis" can still be wrong and biased. Look at all the image classifiers that called black people monkeys cause they were trained almost exclusively on images of white people.
You could answer my questions or you could keep trolling up to you.
Also, please do explain how asking you how this test would be automated and objective is a straw man. Do you not understand what a straw man argument is?
Also, stop making this about me. If you want to block me, fine, but I don't care about your expectations of me or what you think is a mistake or poor argument on my part.
Why would I involuntarily defend a position I do not hold because some idiot can't be bothered to use the reading comprehension and social skills I know they have?
Because I don't believe in a test. I've told you twice. But, you're uncharacteristically being a jackass, now even after you've slept on it.
I'll make it about you because you're a valuable member of the community whom I respect, and who's seemingly not meeting their own standards of behavior (based on the past). If you don't like it, block. I'm pretty close.
Actually, I went back and you told me once, which I did miss. The other one was an edit which you somehow expected me to see after I replied to you. And then, even though I missed your claim that it shouldn't happen, you kept arguing for how the test could be implemented.
So I don't think you know what you are arguing for.
And I still don't care about what you think of me or of my value to anyone. First of all because I don't have any value to anyone and secondly because your opinion of me won't change that.
I made no argument for a test. I answered your direct question as to how it could be done fairly.
Reading and comprehension is prerequisite to a good faith response. You skipped half a post then needed to be told twice to read it. It's not my responsibility to coddle you into good faith. I delivered content well within your capacity to understand.
I accept no responsibility for your error. The input was far better than what you usually receive. You just wanted to fight with someone and I was next in line. You're a public figure. We all know your MO.
Your words in your initial post before you made your edit:
So now you're just lying.
And also, I'm just going to stop reading your posts at the point you start to make them personal. You really aren't getting that I don't give a shit what you think of me.
That's not an argument. It's a statement. Is your bar really that low or are you still just trying to fight?
I won't fight with you. I know too much about you. We've spoken personally on three accounts.
Now you're gaslighting. Statements can be arguments and "I think" statements are arguments because you are giving an opinion. Which I am sure you know, so I'm not sure why you're trying this tack.
I've taken and passed practice tests before. A lot of Americans who may be down-voting may remember things like Jim Crow laws and how tests were widely used to disenfranchise voters, particularly non-white or otherwise "the wrong kind of" voters, in the past and it still leaves a bad taste.
It isn't about having a bad taste from the past. Policy like this would further disenfranchise vulnerable populations present day. A barrier for entry like this is going to disproportionately impact lower income folks. Hard to study for a test like this when you're busting your ass at 3 part time jobs trying to make ends meet. That's not even to mention the inequality that exists within the education system between higher and lower income areas to begin with. "Our system failed you, so now you're not qualified to vote. Cheers!"
Three guesses as to who this policy would affect more: white people or people of color?
I 100% agree with this.
Some of those same reasons are the reasons voter ID laws as often implemented (i.e. without anyway to ensure that everyone is actually able to get an ID given that it takes documents, time, and money that not everyone can spare) can negatively impact the same portions of the population as well.
I think candidates for office should have to pass those tests.
Tests administered publicly with no lifelines available.
Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV.
Ok, nailed it, gimme the nuclear codes
Now, there's a good idea. But, I think you'd be surprised at the results. They're not stupid. They're evil.
In some states you can't graduate without passing that test, I know that was the case in Missouri. That shit was hard.