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The most progressive champion of the marginalized and working class is irrelevant if they don't win the popularity contest. My conscience requires I actually accomplish something with my actions.
Fighting over and defending the bread crumbs they toss us is not progress
Real crumbs are more useful than purely hypothetical loaves.
The rich getting richer while we getting keep getting poorer is not hypothetical
That's totally unrelated to my statement.
Yea what kinda response is this? Did the OP reply to the wrong thread?
They have an agenda. They don't care about the question so long as they can turn it to the subject they want to talk about.
You are trying to claim there can be no progress unless we elect enough Democrats, that's happened before and all we've gotten is crumbs.
And when we don't elect enough Democrats we don't even get crumbs. What's your point?
And it's fear of losing your crumbs why people will never find their proverbial balls and do what's right for people and society
Easier to do what's right when you've got crumbs to nibble on than when you're starving. Accelerationism is a deranged and wildly privileged alternative.
Liberals have somehow convinced themselves that a slow death via poisoning is somehow better than a fast death via poisoning. The prolonged agony of society because of that poison continues to poison generation after generation.
Slow death buys time for other action, it's objectively better. No one's saying you're not allowed to take other actions too. They'll be harder to enact under P2025, it's a no brainer.
People have been saying it buys time for generations, buys time and what we have gained? Gained no more progress for civil rights and labor rights and wage rights and housing rights and healthcare rights. For the last hundred years we've been having the same conversations about these inequalities for several generations. And we will have these same conversations for the next few generations because we are getting nowhere because people have convinced themselves that they are buying time with a slow poison.
Harm reduction and buying time relies on a hypothetical worse future, so you don't spend time concerned about the horrible present. Keeping you always asking for the potential of something better later instead of demanding a better now
For the last hundred years every advance we have made was under one party, and the worst of the steps back were made under the other. Real change is made from the ground up, voting isn't sufficient, but it is necessary. It's like you refuse to acknowledge the basic logic.
I'm not saying you're a troll trying to split leftists away from the democratic candidate so the fascists can win, but if you were, how would your talking points be different?
Because there is no logic, I'm not trying to split leftists away from the Democratic candidate because if they are leftists they would not be voting for a Democratic candidate.
My point exactly.
Do you want to stop that from happening?
Eliminate the ones that enabled the problems.
You unwittingly just told us everything we need to know. You don't want to actually solve problems. You want to eliminate the people who created the problems. And getting rid of the people who enabled the problems doesn't fix the problems.
This is why you don't understand harm reduction and aren't actually doing anything to help address the problems. You don't want to solve the problems. You just want to get one over on those who've screwed us over.
It's an understandable sentiment, by all means, but this is why fictional stories tend to be critical of revenge. You become so lost in punishing someone that you value vengeance over actually addressing what that person did.
The nobles burnt the village and hurt some of the villagers for fun. Instead of rebuilding what they destroyed and helping treat the injured, you just want to kill the nobles. It'll feel good to succeed, but the village will still need rebuilding, and the people who needed healing will be dead.
Someone who cares more about overthrowing the industrialists, at the expense of their fellow proletariat, is no communist. They're just one of Stalin's useful thugs, and the only thing they'll succeed in changing is who's causing the problems -- not solving the problem itself.
TLDR: You don't actually care about leftist ideals, you just want revenge.