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Except they both say what the left guy says and accuse the other of being the right guy. You both also use all of the same strategies. Silver your opposition, throw shit, and make shit up wherever media is owned by you.
Yah except can fact check and see one side is making up a lot more BS. Hell, one news station got sued for making up stuff so bad.
Everyone can say stuff. How am I to know which stuff said is true?
Look into situations yourself. Like if someone says X person did Y, you can look and see if that's true. There are plenty of face checking sites that list sources for you to verify information independently. Like when Trump said KH wants to raise retirement age, you can look and see she's never said that or purposed that.
Also legal action on a topic is a good indicator as there has been proceedings done so the outcome can be more trusted.
But as a general rule of thumb I find the side that bans books and education, calls any criticism a lie, and has had a track record of lying on the record countless times as the less trustworthy side.
Where am I gonna look? I personally have a conviction for something I didn't do because the legal process is lazy and malicious, so I won't be trusting that either. Who am I to believe any digital story?
You're not helpless to look up facts. If you're asking where to look go to the source. For the example I mentioned you can look at her platform. Your stance seems to be very close to the "how can we know anything" which is often pushed as a mindset when a group of bad actors calls everything into question to avoid accountability. Truths can be known, things can be confirmed.
As for court, I said it's more trustworthy, but not absolute by any means. It's controlled by people, and people are not infallible.
Nothing is knowable. The map is not the territory and mappers have motivations.
So you don't know your own name, how to read or type? Impressive.
Names are arbitrary and I think the officiation of my name is only useful for financial purposes. I can read and type for sure, but who is to decide that the way I'm doing it is correct? Besides, these are working knowledge rather than truth of the matter. We can work with electricity without knowing it's full nature. Apparently electricity is incredibly weird.
You can clearly understand the concepts I'm conveying. We're having a conversation. Acting like we can't know anything is silly.
Yes, we can use things without knowing how they work, but even then we know how to use it. You know how to type to express yourself, and clearly you're doing it right because I can read it. I feel like this is trying to be existential but is just very 13 year old "deep thoughts".
What can a computer know? Only what signals you feed it. Whether those signals are true or not can't really be determined. Doesn't matter if you send a million of the same thing. Labeled as "peer review". There is no determining what is the certain truth of something. It's the reason we have English prime.
Yes there is. You're acting like objective truths don't exist. Water is made of 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atoms. We know this, we can repeat it, it is predictable. This is why the scientific method exists.
I mean you're expressing a lot of strong opinions for someone who says they don't know anything. You seem to know enough to disagree with me at the very least lol.
Objective truths only exist in information handling from a singular perspective. That water you're talking about can just as easily be part of a simulation. A better example of an objective truth is that 2 inputs in an AND gate turned on outputs on. You can show me something you call an AND gate and show me a million results with various inputs and outputs and I can learn to trust it even, but I can't determine with absolute certainly that it's an AND gate. I'll still play with it though. It's working knowledge, not absolute truth. You should look up English prime.
Ahhh so we've devolved to "everything could be a simulation were living in." But of a cop out since that's all "what ifs" with no proof, the thing science and reality is based on.
Again you keep mixing up concepts. You are taking a situation where you only know inputs and outputs and the unknown is a black box. We can go and look at a logic gate and look at the circuit and say, yes, it is an AND gate. We can just look at how it's structured and know for sure. Logic gates have physical characteristics that govern how they operate.
By your own logic you could be absolutely wrong about all this but you feel confident enough to keep arguing it. Does that mean you're arguing a point you don't understand or even know is true?
If you're not even trying to get the point, I'm not gonna sit here and try to make you get it. You just wanna be better than someone.
You don't know that, I mean you can't know anything right?
Like I said, for a guy who claims nothing is knowable you make some bold, confident claims.
me when I love solipsism
This isn't solipsism or anything close to it. It's purely rational. The point is for people to describe their experience and observations without determining what something is on some kind of ridiculous inherent level. Y'all just wanna dictate facts and feel like you're authority. That is not science.
The irony of that last sentence lol.