Agreed, it's not like I went vegan cause meat tastes bad. Gimme some of that wet sulphite n salt plz. And as I said in that thread, maybe it's not vegans, maybe you're a bad cook? The stuff I can throw together without animal products are so good you'll probably go blind. Meat is a lazy food that makes for lazy chefs, professionally anyone operating in the last 10 years or so get that vegan food is legit and there's a lot of interesting untapped ground and the trad creeps with their bullshit authentic French and Italian (American) stuff are getting wiped out cause working class to not going to Michelin rated restaurants often rich but still rich white people have broadened their pallet quite a bit over the last 20 years and stick in the mud bullshit just ain't flying vegan or otherwise. Even working non vegan places the chefs have been personally stoked to hear how to do stuff with seitan, tempeh, beans, heart of palms, whatever. Taught my 20 year experienced chef how to make good hummus like a week ago. So, yeah, even from an omni perspective they have no idea what they're talking about cause dudes who cook with meat generally are fuckimg with tofu and stuff as well cause a good chef isn't gonna ignore fantastic ingredients and dishes just cause there's no meat in play, that's juvenile and while owners still suck, kitchens are better and I can say working high level food, chefs who are really good at what they do and are on their shit are excited by new stuff they become aware of. They're wrong in every level here.