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It's time to abolish England (hexbear.net)

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Ireland, Wales, Cornwall and Scotland should be granted full independence and England should be divided up in several smaller countries all under a peacekeeping force.

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[-] newacctidk@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

So the same thing the Teutons tried to pull

[-] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

Not familiar with the teutons. Did they try and exterminate most of the local men in the area they invaded, and then marry the local women? Because in a lot of england that's what the germanic invaders did.

Some are starting to think the anglo saxon invasion of Britain similar in some ways to the Spaniards and indigenous people in South America.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Not familiar with the teutons.

Ancient Teutons (which were most likely not even of Germanic but of Celtic origin) killed a shitload of Romans, but then were defeated and afaik never tried to do something like that at least in an organised manner. The legend have it that it's Romans who demanded Teutons give up their women after losing the war, but Teutonic women in response killed their children and then killed eachother to not surrender to Romans.

Medieval Teutonic Knights (unrelated to the above people, just German crusaders) though were the prototype of the western european colonisation system and they did genocided and replaced a lot of people in Baltics which repercussions we still see today and it's one of the major reasons why Baltic countries are the butthole of Europe and such a running dog of western imperialism.
Hell, they even directly formed Prussia, one of the worst states in entire history of mankind that led to untold suffering.

[-] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Something like that. Except it seems like a lot of indigenous british women willingly married anglo saxon men.

The upper classes it seems were pure anglo saxons

Followed by a middle class of mixed anglo and celtic heritage

On the bottom rung were pure natives who couldn't speak any English and were still culturally brythonic.

Kind of like Spain in Latin America for example with its caste system.

White Englishmen today are basically "mestizos" of celtic and germanic people lol.

Which is super ironic

[-] newacctidk@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

On that train of thought, you should look into the Ostmen, the Norse who settled in Ireland. Many became Celtic rather than making Ireland successfully Nordic to the point that those who remained in their secluded cutouts like Dublin long after the Viking Age was over just stayed in separate parts of the city. Archeological evidence shows they built special quarters and didn't integrate, which carried over to later place names in Dublin. The British actually let them stay when they eventually conquered Dublin.

It is wikipedia I know, but it is a succinct statement

The Ostmen were regarded as a separate group from the English and Irish and were accorded privileges and rights to which the Irish were not entitled. They lived in distinct localities; in Dublin they lived outside the city walls on the north bank of the River Liffey in Ostmentown, a name which survives to this day in corrupted form as Oxmantown. It was once thought that their settlement had been established by Norse–Gaels who had been forced out of Dublin by the English but this is now known not to be the case. Other groups of Ostmen lived in Limerick and Waterford. Many were merchants or lived a partly rural lifestyle, pursuing fishing, craft-working and cattle raising. Their roles in Ireland's economy made them valuable subjects and the English Crown granted them special legal protections. These eventually fell out of use as the Ostmen assimilated into the English settler community throughout the 13th and 14th centuries

The larger influence was arguably the spread of Irish genes to Scandinavia due to captured and willing brides of Norsemen who brought them home.

[-] newacctidk@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

And importantly, they entered the region after being invited in by nobles to serve them. Turns out brining violent conquerors into your land on purpose will only cause them to enjoy looting and crushing your enemies for so long until they run out of plunder. Thank god Poland learned that lesson and never tried that shit again......

[-] newacctidk@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

They invaded the Baltics as part of a crusade, and very quickly got approval to just annex for themselves the part of Poland belonging to their host Konrad I who they had been hired to serve. They just kept doing this and eventually built a state. Essentially they formed to exterminate "pagans" in Prussia and defend western Poland, and then conquered the Catholic land anyways and then invaded further and further all the way to their wars with the Novgorod Republic.

For a not exactly accurate but important snapshot of how that turned out watch the Eisenstein film Alexander Nevsky which dramatizes the famous Battle of the Ice and has one of the best scores in film history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOgoGCP7Ujw It is such a blatant comparison to the Germans but it fucking works and goes HARD. They have soldiers wearing obvious stahlhelms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq4PaJfod4w