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[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 3 months ago

It's such an insanely fucking low bar that he went to China and was like "yeah, this is fine. We don't need to be their enemy."

I won't overly stretch this comparison, but remember when Trump went to DPRK and met with Kim Jung Un and said something to the effect of "he's a nice guy. Great guy! We should work together." (Or whatever exactly. Not goggling it) and the insane fucking media went into overdrive meltdown mode. Actually, he said similar things about Xi and Putin.

I don't think these guys are comparable in many ways, but it is interesting how the fully "normal person" opinion of "yeah, I met the guy, he was fine towards me. I don't understand why we're doing all of this sanction shit. Maybe we should work on ending that." is held by most Americans and yet held by exactly zero corporate media shills and basically zero politicians who always make sure to adhere perfectly to the media narratives or suffer their wrath. Another thing Trump is right but for the wrong reason on... media and their narratives. They lie about him all the time, but about shit that doesn't matter (most of the time) or stuff he did that was good. Like the DPRK thing. And when they did that shit, pretty quickly it seems like he took the advice of the insane war hawks surrounding every president and never followed through on anything.

Some other insanely pro-war recent moments: the entire fucking media pretending that the US in Afghanistan was a good thing. Obviously their total lying about or ignoring the genocide being done to Palestinians. They even shat on Obama (reluctantly because they loved him) for making a nuclear deal with Iran. The right wing ran wild with it and the libs were like "yes this sounds good, but is Obama actually causing Iran to nuke LA in the future? Who could say!"

If Trump could do a compromise 2:1 liberal to conservative media purge, I'm not gonna say no. Van Jones and Tapper go in the same cage as Jesse Waters. Anderson Cooper, Maddow, and Gutfeld. These are the kinds of unhinged promises that might win my vote

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago

I won't overly stretch this comparison, but remember when Trump went to DPRK

Here's an easier one: when Nixon went to China.

The bar is at Nixon.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Nixon is unironically the best president since him... if that makes sense. No one has been better than him that came after. I feel like a lot of Americans would resist this, but once you examine reality and accept it...... like goddamn man. Nixon. If we had Nixon things would be better. What. The. Fuck.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's pretty insane but it's true. Nixon is like Michael Douglas in Falling Down when he meets the neonazi guy and gets offended by his Nazi German memorabilia and angrily declares "I am an American!" But drunk and also fascist and racist, cuz that's how Tricky Dick rolled.

[-] Biggay@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

This is why active diplomacy is so frowned upon by the natsec people. When you talk to people you learn that they are human, and that you should work together for common good and common cause.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

They even shat on Obama (reluctantly because they loved him) for making a nuclear deal with Iran

A deal with Iran that was just a protection racket that we benefited from! Iran was never building nukes, we screamed “Iran’s building nukes! Sanctions! Sanctions!” and then pressured them into a shit deal to remove the sanctions. And it was still too far for the bloodthirsty media and most politicians, and we went back on the deal.

Iran is not, and has never been, building nukes. They should. But they consider nuclear weapons to be haram

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

The only time the media condemned Biden was when he withdrew from Afghanistan. The only time the media praised Trump was when he bombed the Middle East.

[-] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

Can you tell me more about Iran considering nukes haram? That's really interesting

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

Most of what I know about Iran and nukes comes from citations-needed episode 14, The Iran Deal Protection Racket.

But basically Ayatollah Khamenei issued a fatwa a long time ago declaring nuclear and chemical weapons haram and a threat to humanity, a stance he’s stood by since. A translation of one version of his statements:

We believe that besides nuclear weapons, other types of weapons of mass destruction such as chemical and biological weapons also pose a serious threat to humanity. The Iranian nation which is itself a victim of chemical weapons feels more than any other nation the danger that is caused by the production and stockpiling of such weapons and is prepared to make use of all its facilities to counter such threats. We consider the use of such weapons as haraam and believe that it is everyone's duty to make efforts to secure humanity against this great disaster.

And that’s just from Natopedia

[-] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago

Ok that is amazing. Thank you. I've listened to that episode but it's been years and I forget most except the sanctions as terrorism against civilians part.