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The deep longing so many people have for their lost fathers is really heart breaking.
Like, fuck. He's not your dad! Please stop trying to fill the hole in your heart with politicians and celebrities. Please go talk to a therapist about how your father abandoned you, or you lost him to right wing conspiracies, or how you miss him now that he's dead. Don't replace him with a guy you saw on TV! This isn't good for you and you're just going to get hurt.
I mean, saying someone feels like the dad you could've had doesn't mean there's anything pathologic going on. They're just being wistful and pointing out that Walz is giving cool dad vibes.
I think you're being a bit hyperbolic by suggesting these women have literally formed a parasocial father-daughter relationship with him in 3 weeks.
Calling it pathological might be going too far, but it's heart breaking when someone talks at length about losing their father in the context of saying Walz reminds them of their dad. Whenever people elaborate it becomes clear there's something wrong.
There's a broken and sick society that's producing all these people who are longing for their lost fathers and it's just. Heartbreaking.
It is grief. Perfectly natural in those circumstances. Very similar to people loosing their parents to dementia or ALS.
What's unnatural is connecting their grieving process to a guy they see on TV and then wrapping this into their political choices.
You'll notice this isn't only happening among people voting for Harris. Among Trump voters, you know what they do? They slot Trump into that father figure role! People shouldn't be making politicians into parental figures. Something is wrong.
I mean, can you really call it unnatural overall if people have a desire to connect to and with others - even if it's not fully logical. Emotions can be far from logical.
In a natural process, someone might connect with an older man in the community as a father figure in their own life. A mentor or a local leader, perhaps.
Emotionally connecting to the TV is disrupting a natural and healthy process by inserting a father figure that they can never really connect with.
Again you're putting logic in an equation where it may not exist. I'm also not disagreeing with you, but people tend to make connections where they don't/shouldn't exist.
I don’t think there is anything wrong about coming to your own conclusions from public figures about the ways in which your personal relationships have been impacted by said public figures. Yes we don’t know these people directly but they impact and shape our lives, sometimes without us even knowing it.
Public figures aren't actually people we can connect with, though. It's a para-social relationship.
I think “connection” can be very subjective depending on who you’re talking to, and I think this conversation needs a lot more nuance than perhaps is being given to it. I think by not lending credence to how we form connections and bonds with these political figures through emotion, we are trying to act like that it doesn’t exist (or shouldn’t), which isn’t true. The article here seems more to be pointing out that liberal women have lost their fathers to far-right ideology, not so much that they are now attaching that lost relationship to Walz. It seems more as though Walz helped these women come to terms with this fact, or enlightened them to it.
Except every single one of these women is going to vote for the Harris/Walz ticket, so they're not just learning from Walz but materially supporting his political career.
At least they're not giving him money, but it's not far off.
You are describing how the American political process works. So would you rather them not vote or support the candidate that aligns with their policies or values? I'm very unclear on what you’re positioning here.
I'd prefer we didn't have a sick society that produces people who replace lost fathers with people on TV.
They aren't trying to fill the hole with someone else, they are just saying one person reminds them of how someone else used to be. They see how this one famous person acts and remember when their dad used to act that way. They aren't turning the famous guy into a father figure, but they are mourning the loss of their actual father figure. You are way over-analyzing what is being said here.
And then they're choosing to materially support their new father figure, because he reminds them of their lost father.
I've said it elsewhere, but at least they aren't giving him money.
Wait, so you think it is bad to see someone who acts like their ideal person and then choose to vote for them?
I think it's bad to see someone who you have never and will never meet as a father figure, and then to materially support them out of a misplaced para-social relationship.
You are either a troll or have serious reading comprehension issues. At no point did anyone, either us posters here or the woman in the story, say she saw him as a father figure. You are literally the only person saying father figure here. There's a guy in my neighborhood who reminds me of my dad. I don't see him as a father figure.
I have to conclude you are posting with an agenda and are trying to shift the focus away from a positive story. There's no way you can be as stupid as you sound. I'll be blocking you for clearly not trying to have an honest conversation.
I see my father all the time but I still love what Walz is out there doing, because he’s the kind of dad that I try to be.