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Are G.O.P. Voters Tiring of the War on ‘Wokeness’?
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It would be nice if my country could have two functional political parties. Right now we have one that thinks if it does something once a decade it is too radical and the other is eating horse dewormer.
We have a conservative party and a proto-fascist party.
The vast majority of Americans are neither.
Edit: probably not vast, but an easy majority
Nah, look at the numbers. Three quarters support for single payer.
Hell, when you explain "defund the police" it has overwhelming majority support even by conservatives.
Vast majority are very liberal, just too busy being buried by capitalism to vote.
I feel like a lot of progressive ideals lately are simply plagued but godawful marketing.
Great ideas that are given a verbal shorthand that is confusing, misleading, needlessly polarizing, easily demonized, or all of the above.
Pride, Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, Antifa, Defund the Police, Woke, Antiwork, and lots lots more...
How is anti-fascism bad marketing?
Anti-fascism is not. But how many rank-and-file Republicans even know that's what Antifa stands for? All they know is they're evil violent rioters because Fox News or Newsmax or whoever says so.
I don't see how that's a result of bad marketing, though, just the right's usual usual brainwashing to make people react negatively to a word, just like they did with CRT, woke, etc. If they can do it to a word like "welfare" that's literally one of the first words in the Constitution, they can do it to anything.
The sad fact is that any words we choose are vulnerable to being poisoned and turned against us. Some words and phrases are a lot more vulnerable than others (like "defund the police"), but it can happen to any words.
There are conservatives arguing that Antifa stands for Anti- First Amendment (anti-f-a), but a vast majority think it's a new word with an ambiguous meaning.
Most people would agree to anti-facist ideas. The same people polled on Antifa would say otherwise.
Neither of those things are liberal. Liberalism is a right wing ideology.
This made me actually lol. Beautifully said
I think it would be nice if more moderates from each party were more prominent. Right now we really have mostly very right leaning republicans and very left leaning democrats pushing legislature, making news headlines etc.
Where? The democrats would be center right in any other western country. So who are these very left leaning democrats you fear? Bernie is as left as they come in America and he’s barely left leaning.
I never said nor do I fear either side of this coin. I was just pointing out what it seems like the problem is to me.
I would genuinely like to learn about how America compares to another western country. What policies make other countries much more left leaning?
I wish we had "very left leaning Democrats." We have corporatists.
Idk, from a global prospective the American "left" are center or slightly right and continue to shift rightward over time.
very left democrats made me lol
I would like to see people running for positions in government actually interested in government. The vast majority of running stuff is just running stuff. Taxes get collected, bills get paid, vacant positions filled, roads get built or repaired, cops don't murder unarmed minorities, and if you have time you get to fix maybe one big problem. It isnt romantic, you don't get interviewed by some talking head, or sued, or boycotted, it is just making sure that things basically work.
And I am not seeing that. I am seeing one party terrified of doing anything and another that pushes in some very radical position that causes devastation.
Recoiling in horror does not count as left leaning.
where are these left leaning democrats? at worse we have bernie and aoc who thinks people who work 40+ hours a week shouldnt be impoverished and that everyone deserves healthcare.
What moderate Republicans? The few that didn't gleefully embrace fascism (e.g. Liz Cheney) have been run out of the party. And even the left fringe of the Republican party is awful.
Ah yes, "very left" ideas like drone strikes, breaking strikes, and corporate welfare
Not entirely sure why all the downvotes were necessary but I guess this is just like Reddit. I was just commenting on what the issue seems like to me. I’m happy to hear differing opinions but “lol @ very left leaning” comments and downvotes are hardly constructive.