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Political narratives that aged like bread
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I don't feel like digging through my own comment history for examples, but I can assure you I made MANY such comments, and I was not alone in making them.
I don’t think I made such comments but I sure as hell voted that way.
It’s good to be proven wrong when the outcome is this positive.
Hopefully you can take a second, if not a couple hours, to reflect on what you can learn about the experience. A lot of other people didn't make the same mistake, for lack of a better word, and were communicating their ideas the whole time.
For example, I try to pay attention to which pundits or networks are wrong and then never fully trust them again, or at least treat them with a high amount of skepticism. In contrast, people that are right on big, important issues I try to pay more attention to
Edit: I think I should've said we, as I'm absolutely doing this myself
I personally didn't think it was a great idea to attack him a la Bernie v Hilary, since we have to ultimately vote for him, which is where I think most of his defense comes from, but I also didn't agree with denying reality and pretending we were going to win by just ignoring reality harder than the other side.
I mainly want to try and understand why I was hesitant at all and not fully onboard with the brave people that convinced enough people in power to force him to step down. It at least makes me wonder what else I'm believing that isn't true
Dude, I already said I made a mistake. No need to take the chance to act like a fucking smug cunt.
My bad, I wasn't trying to offend you! lol That was sincere
Admitting you made a mistake doesn't have to be the last step. It can be the first! Asking questions can be step 2. Experimenting can be step 3. Idk...
Anyway, it was just a suggestion. You absolutely do not have to reflect on anything if you don't feel comfortable or it's too stressful or whatever
You're acting like you had superior information about the system.
Biden had every detail lined up at the time these conversations were rolling.
He was the clear and away presumptive nominee.
If Biden was still in right now you'd be the one "reflecting" based on you're advice, and that makes no sense to tell someone about something they can't control.
I respectfully disagree. Y'all are clearly very defensive about this and that's not going to result in a fruitful discussion, so carry on and don't even think about reflecting on your sources
My source was me, acknowledging my wrongness. Lol
Outside of that my source was the dnc, and Biden himself. The sitting president, saying he's running again.
Further, you make a fine point about what voices people listen to, and that a variety should be considered. But suggesting you knew better, and lecturing others as if you had some clear path of source and logic is why people got frustrated with you.
It's condescending and inconsistent to boot
That's actually totally fair. Maybe that was my mistake, which I appreciate you pointing out! I should've made it clear I'm in the very process of doing this myself
I'm trying to understand why I was hesitant about Biden dropping out even when my guy told me we were beyond fucked. Why was AOC hesitant? (I think it makes sense for her, tbh) Why did her insta story just before sway my opinion so much? Who were the people saying this could work and that it would turn out as well as it has? What were theie reasons? Etc.
I'm honestly not sure of all the answers or questions but I personally wouldn't trust anyone that was saying what has happened was impossible. It very clearly was possible. What else is possible?
Listen. You clearly have the need to prove yourself. But you have to understand, I am not your dad. Call him and tell what a pretty little princess you have been. Just don’t bother me. You sound so sad it spoils my mood.
What in the projection?
Jon Stewart comes to mind
Exactly! I always remember that study on people's understanding of current events based on the media they consume.
People that didn't watch any news were more informed than people that watched fox/nbc on current events or international issues , whereas people that watched the daily show or npr were more informed. That and seeing people ridicule Michael Moore over and over despite him always being right (afaik) have been big eye-openers in terms of who to believe. It's wild they keep putting people on TV that are regularly wrong.
Ok... had to go find it: What you know depends on what you watch. It's from 2012 but still seems legit.
I as well friend
Happy to be wrong!
To be fair this was kind of a new phenomenon, and nobody knew what would happen if Biden dropped out like that. I'm sure you were hoping to avoid a power struggle that just didn't materialize. Plus a lot of the suggestions were kind of out there and not well known, so I can see why it would make sense to stick with Biden.
Though I'm really glad you were wrong.
Yeah, honestly, I was dreading a whole avalanche of consequences that just... didn't materialize. Even when I finally came around to Biden dropping out, I was certain that we were going to end up with a very brutal "DEMOCRATS IN DISARRAY" narrative from the media in addition to whatever ugliness emerged from figuring out who the candidate was without a new primary. And yet when it happened, it was almost... subdued. And the Trump campaign absolutely floundered on it.
Wasn't hyped for Harris either, but Walz was a damn good VP pick, so I'm actually feeling almost positive. Almost. I mean, at the end of the day we shouldn't be dealing with fighting this fascist shite in a fair and just world, but we deal with the hand we have, not the one we want.
I'll also own that I was wrong on this subject
I did as well, and am very happy to be wrong.
And it seems like Harris' campaign saw those kinds of comments and chose to address them with energy and humor.
They've done a great job so far. Hoping they can keep this amazing momentum and prove me thoroughly wrong on election day.