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Freed Israeli captive Noa Argamani says she was wounded by Israel, not Hamas
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So it's linked to this lady because she is Israeli, and all Israelis share collective guilt and deserve collective punishment for what other Israelis have done to Palestinians?
I thought what Israel is doing in Gaza was wrong because they are punishing Palestinian civilians for the actions of Palestinian militants. I now understand your opinion is different.
When did I say anything about collective punishment for Israelis? I don't understand how you could have gotten that from what I said.
Also, what Israel is doing in Gaza is wrong because they're committing acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing. They are a settler colonial state. Everything they have ever done in Palestine is wrong.
Let's recap. I pointed out the woman in the news story was held against her will. People replied that worse was happening to Palestinians. I pointed out that even worse can happen elsewhere. So what? It shouldn't mean we ignore what happened to this woman.
You're the one who came in to tie what happened to this woman to how Palestinians are treated specifically. I took that as approval of collective punishment. Otherwise, what does what this woman went through have to do with r*p in Israeli jails? What are you arguing if not that she didn't have it as bad as victims of her government? How is that relevant unless you think what one Israeli does has relevance to how another should be treated?
The fact that she has been held hostage has been used as justification for the unlawful detainment of Palestinians. The hostages have been the central crux of all of the actions Israel has taken. It's not that it doesn't matter whatsoever that she was taken hostage. It's that her being taken hostage is part of the justification for genocide of Palestinians.
What's that got to do with her being captured and held being a bad thing?
I never said it wasn't a bad thing. Only adding context to the situation. I don't understand what your hangup here is. The Israeli media lied about what happened to her. The Israeli military is taking tens of thousands of prisoners and doing the exact thing they accused hamas of doing to her. That's relevant. A genocide is ongoing based on misinformation mischaracterization and selective omission of information.
Yeah, that came off as callous and victim-blaming to me. Your first comment was that this lady had it good compared to victims of her countrymen. Sounded like collective blame to me.
At least you're not the Dresden guy.
I never said she deserved it, nor that it was right. We can have wider discussions that relate to the content of a post. Conversations wouldn't go far on this platform if we were restricted to talking exactly about the subject of each post.
She is also a victim of her countrymen, to be clear.
you know that the only people who cry about Dresden to this day are nazis? and they sound a lot like you.
Is that even true? Seems like there is and should be debate about Dresden as well as Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
But I take from this that you feel the totally disproportionate Israeli response to the atrocities of Hamas is justified. And there I have to disagree with you.
What a weird comment to inject here.