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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by UlyssesT@hexbear.net to c/movies@hexbear.net

I watched the entire video, but I timestamped the link to where I believe it matters most for any comrade that ever liked Star Trek, liberal idealistic and quasi-militaristic flaws and all, and would like to see a succinct and thorough summary of what they might have already felt, may have already inductively collected for themselves, but got it drowned out by "well the TNG gang got together by the end of Picard Season 3 so just enjoy it like a popcorn movie, 4/5" or even worse brainworms like "section 31 is based and it's just cold hard reality that such an agency would have to exist for the Federation to exist, just like in based Deep Space 9 which was totally about wars and genocidal biowarfare plots and how cool and necessary they are."

The Trek fandom site in the Lemmyverse is loaded with insufferable liberal/libertarian brainworms and a fair amount of Thermian Arguments that justify anything that was presented on screen as not only good, but necessary if they were done by protagonist characters, and not just the flaws, weaknesses, and (for lack of a better term) sins of characters that weren't intended to be infallible, let alone blindly emulated, no matter how cool it was when Sisko punched Q or whatever.

TL;DR: I hope comrades find value in this concluding section of a much larger video, or maybe even watch the whole thing, which I also think is worthwhile. Also, I fucking despise Section 31 apologists because they make the Lemmyverse's Trek site unbearable for me. If Kurtzman gets his way (especially with that Section 31 series he keeps jerking off about), Trek will become increasingly murderfucky gory edgy black ops obsessed bootlicking schlock with a vague and redundant nostalgia flavor.

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[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

Ya know I might watch a four hour video about star trek, but I sure as hell won't watch a four hour video about Star Trek: Picard, a show that I have not watched, that I have no interest in watching and really couldn't care less about what it "does" to Star Trek.

The only actually interesting thing about Star Trek is how it reflects reality and the times it was made in. NuTrek doesn't ruin the original Star Trek, it doesn't even do anything to it. It's just some other random thing that some other random people made because some random company decided is going to increase the value of the "intellectual property" that is the Star Trek™ brand. And the fact that it is bad television made only for profit, that it is a sad and depressing turn for the original vision of the future that Star Trek used to be sometime back in the 60s is kinda sad, but it's also nothing but a reflection of the state of the world in its least creative, visionary and hopeful iteration. Any part of your heart that you put into that nebulous thing that is Star Trek over the years should flow freely from thing to idea to thing and back and not be exclusive to what really amounts to nothing but a brand. It's high time to get over it.

If anything Star Trek has been the poster child of cultural stagnation and reaction for all of its life, it being after all the original "show that got cancelled but then uncancelled after the fandom complained about it for a decade". It's not even just that, it's the original "fandom" show, the show that originated "fanfiction" and everything that comes with it.

And even in its best, most hopeful and visionary form, Star Trek has always really been a terribly limited show: What has it ever been besides "Wagon Train to the stars"? Always taking place at the imagined "frontier", always marching west. Sure, the show might have told you it took place in a post-scarcity quasi-communist utopia, but have its stories and its form ever felt like it?

It's a testament to the sheer force of reaction that followed the 60s (and also and maybe even more the short-sightedness of the 60s themselves) that ever since we have lost not only our ability to imagine a better future, we've even lost the ability to imagine a better television show.

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