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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/science_memes@mander.xyz

like you go to the not-believing-until-seeing convention with lies and what? expect to get away with it?

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[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 114 points 2 months ago

If Scientists don't publish they do not get grants. Grants it turns out pay their rent, and things like food, and transportation, and kids summer camp. Failure also has a detrimental effect in the attaining of grant monies. There's a direct line here. For those that choose to go down this road, they do it for as long as they can get away with it, then try to plea bargain.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 102 points 2 months ago

Academia needs to be restructured, just like everything else

[-] msage@programming.dev 16 points 2 months ago

Hey, that sounds like Communism!1!

Count me in!

[-] andrewth09@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago

Its not just the volume of publishing, but the conclusion of the paper if you publish a paper and the result is boring (the X had negligible impact on Y but its inconclusive) you might still put your grant at risk.

[-] bob_lemon@feddit.org 27 points 2 months ago

This is also the reason why failed experiments hardly ever get published: "We tried X to achieve Y but it did not work because of Z" is very useful information for people also thinking about trying X, but good luck publishing that paper.

[-] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I'll repeat it as much as I can but we need yo open up new journals for these kind of things.

All we need is a good cloud for storage, and volunteers. I think comp-sci people do that with https://arxiv.org/

The journal should accept any user submitted papers but have ranking based on other people, like successful reproducible studies (which is also accepted in journal) will be linked to the original journal. Reviews and such can be their own articles but also linked to the journal.

That way, undergrads can do projects reproducing previous studies (given resources) which will still give them research credit. Failures and exploration will also give people credit as it helps other people's research. We can just tag papers for novel ideas,failures, reproducing old paper,reviews, etc.

I think it has a chance to be very useful if we can pull it off. Although it'll have the same problems as of social media with upvote system. So some more thoughts needs to be there for the actual implementation.

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I so badly wish this was publishable. It would be SO useful.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, I'm really not surprised this a more widespread thing. Hell, Wakefield got followers to this day buying his dumb books. Fraud pays

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