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[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Two factors to consider id say. Blood isn't the only organic source of nitrogen so it's not as if its necessary, thus I'd wager many vegans would consider it unnecessary animal suffering, at least in theory. However the caveat, and second factor, would be blood is byproduct, no ones killing the animals in order to obtain blood meal so many people including vegans may think it more ethical to not let it go to waste since weather or not there's a demand for blood meal, there will still be animal blood that needs to be disposed of.

Strictly dietarialy, yes they would still be vegan. All soil is full of countless formless decomposed animals and plants, it's an inescapable reality of how the soil came to be. It can only get more ethically involved when you choose to add it yourself imo.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 15 points 2 months ago

That second point would require intimate knowledge about which animal parts would be disposed of if they didn't find a buyer.
In reality, everything is used. If there wasn't a market for part of an animal, a use was found and a market created (which is part of the reason why industrially produced white sugar, beer, wine, apple juice, potato chips and bread usually aren't vegan).

Anyway, vegans usually don't care about whether an animal product could be leftover. Their philosophy boils down to "Just fucking leave animals in peace."

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Their philosophy boils down to “Just fucking leave animals in peace.”

It's more complicated than that unless you don't understand how many animals die when you clear farmland. Every crop you eat came at a cost to animals, if there's no amount you deem acceptable or unavoidable your only option is to exclusively eat food you grew yourself, and that still alters the environment to be less favorable to animals, you just don't directly kill them like large scale farms do.

[-] yozul@beehaw.org 12 points 2 months ago

There's also the pesky detail that if minerals in the soil are taken up into plants, and plants are then eaten by animals, then animals need to go back into the soil we grow our crops in or the the soils get depleted of minerals. That's why most salt is iodized, because we've leached all the iodine out of our croplands and never put it back. There is only so much fossil fertilizer in the world. Eventually we are going to have to accept that we are part of nature instead of separate beings above it and doing things to it. Factory farming sucks and needs to end, but we can't "Just fucking leave animals in peace." we are not separate from them. They are us and we are them.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

Im no expert but I hear nutrient levels in soils is trending in the wrong direction in general. Composting efforts need to become serious and as ubiquitous as recycling. Props to California for their efforts on that front.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

The acceptable amount = refrain from hurting animals "as much as possible and practicable". That takes care of all the gotchas and the well actuallys.

[-] Vedlt@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Even honey isn't okay with some (I have no idea the %, could be most or just a small number) of vegans. So regardless of how the blood was obtained, there is at least some who would not consider it vegan.