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lemmy.world going hard against third parties over the past few days, what has spooked them?
The potential of Trump winning. Unless you live outside of the U.S. or are very privileged a Trump victory would only be devastating.
In a first past the post system like the U.S. has, doing anything but voting for Harris is in fact supporting Trump.
CCP Gray actually put out a good video a while ago explaining why voting 3rd party in a FPTP system only hurts your interests.
In a place like Germany where you have proportional voting none of this applies and you should 100% vote for the best party.
https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo?si=y2NtQ2K6g9GkaNwM
Trump winning would have major ramifications for people outside the US also.
True!
Lol who downvoted this
This position assumes that you as voter give a fuck if one or the other party wins.
Why would people care about these politcal parties that essentially do the same thing? If they do sure, vote for your guy but practically speaking for most people shit gets progressively worse as we cycle one geriatric clown for another.
Why not change things up?
I mean if you don’t care if one party or the other wins you could do this, but that just means you are one or both of the following:
Don’t have a sense of empathy for those who would be hurt by a Trump victory.
Are personally privileged enough to not be affected personally. If you live in the USA and feel both parties do the same thing you must be.
Imagine all those people whose lives would be worsened in the USA and all around the world by a Trump victory. Don’t you care? Even the people of Palestine would be worse off and they are already suffering beyond either of our comprehensions.
I encourage everyone to vote with empathy here.
How is voting for 2 parties going to get me out of this trajectory?
also... "empathy" is that what Biden administration use when they supply Israel with tools of genocide? this is not a serious argument...
We had Trump and the world did not end for you. If you live in the USA that makes you one of the privileged. I know many whose world did end. Good for you that you were not affected. But have empathy for those who where.
We had Biden and much harm reduction was done. The downward slope was lessened. Imagine if Trump got a 4th Supreme Court justice! Imagine if Biden was not there to undo the explicitly harmful policies that hurt less privileged people. Biden winning increased in a notable and serious way those who are the least privileged.
It may be true that the American quality of life has gone down. But voting 3rd party only makes it go down faster. If you just don’t care go for it. But the mathematics of FPTP systems mean that voting 3rd party only hurts your interests.
Biden did not act with empathy when he gave supplies to Israel. But Trump will act with glee and encouragement when he would give supplies to Israel.
I encourage everyone to vote with empathy and think of the least privileged when voting everywhere.
"You must support the regime because of trump (who is part of the regime)"
If you are interested in the topic of moral philosophy I have a few book recommendations. I appreciate that you are passionate. I just think an empathy driven ethics is the way to go.
Empathy driven ethics is what's causing people not to vote for the genocidal supporters in the Dem party. I can't even blame them for having a red line that is basically "doing what Hitler did".
The primaries are over. The risk of Trump is too high and people spreading 3rd Party ideas right now many be trying to demotivate progressives from voting for Harris. I mean, I'm not a big fan of Harris, but I'll still be voting for her over Trump.
It seems like Harris turning half Republican and supporting a genocide is what's demotivating progressives from voting for her and people spreading 3rd party ideas is a symptom of that.
How do you have a four year old account with only two comments?
Anyway, still better than Trump.
To answer your question, I joined Lemmy when it was a niche open source project then left because nothing was happening until the mass migration happened
Fyi, accounts that only make political comments, especially ones that have suspicious comment history come across as astroturf or hacked accounts.
Oh look, yet another .ml troll
What did I say in my comment that isn't true, and do you have an actually convincing argument for that besides calling me a troll?
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News that Republicans are actively helping 3rd party candidates so that people voting for them will help Republicans win.
Honestly that's not a bad strategy. The biggest weakness of the Democrats is the wide range of political views
They support a genocidal cop as their presidential candidate.
"I am concerned about the genocide in Palestine, so I am going to take actions that will clearly make things much worse for the people in Palestine because that is the ethical thing to do!"
It really shows that feeling morally superior is more importantly to them than actually getting results. Harris has some genocide, so let's help Donald "Finish the Job" Trump win and have lots of genocide. My protest vote sure helped the Palestinians!
Genocide is bad, but apparently genocide isn't bad enough to take a simple action that will prevent it getting worse.
Why are you assuming that person will vote for Trump?
Never said they would. But realistically you have to acknowledge that a third party candidate has no chance of winning this election. If your only concern is Palastine then not voting for Harris actively makes things worse for the people in Palastine, even if Harris is not doing enough to help them. Your options are bad, or worse.
If you're trying to build support for third party candidates for future elections then don't give me any bullshit about Palastine, because that will not help them in any way.
The genocide will continue as scheduled, Trump or Kamala...
"If you don't vote for my guy, regime will fuck Palestinians even harder, do you want more blood on your hands?"
Pathetic argument, DNC can't even muster proper position on the issue beyond, Trump might fuck them harder.
Welcome to today's American folks 🤡
That was literally your argument: https://lemmy.ca/post/28969976/11652757
My God, give it a rest.
You're an idiot with the laziest opinions I've ever seen and you. Can't. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
Grow up, read some books and come back in a few years when you find an adequate mood stabilizer ffs.
rheee!!!!
She is a different person now, trust me bro
Who does your team support tho?