402
submitted 2 months ago by dantheclamman@lemmy.world to c/firefox@lemmy.ml

I am shocked. Shocked! /s

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] mina@berlin.social 136 points 2 months ago

@dantheclamman

I am definitely starting to hate #Mozilla.

As a remark: I have always been fine with their deal with Pocket and having Google as their default search engine. In the end, there are bills to be paid.

Until I learned that e.g. Mozilla Corporation's CEO is on a multi-million dollar salary, and they're hiring ai and ad people.

Not OK for an entity where many highly skilled people code for free.

It's not what users want the cash to be spent on.

Leaving the Fedi is the final drop

[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago

I was cool with them buying Pocket. But as a long time user of Pocket, I feel it has horribly stagnated. Far more features have been lost than have been gained.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And JFC the monthly subscription price for Pocket is steep for what it offers.

[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Yes, I'm grandfathered into the old cost, or I'd definitely pivot and move to Omnivore

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago

You are the product. All they care about is getting companies paying

[-] Kushan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Stagnation is Mozilla's MO. Fuck, go look at Thunderbird and be transported back to the 90's.

Even Microsoft is updating outlook - fucking outlook is innovating, Outlook being the cancer on email that's held it back for decades, is being updated.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Thunderbird is a perfect app, it does not need to change.

[-] Vincent@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago

I think you might be overestimating how much code is contributed by unpaid volunteers...

[-] everton137@social.vivaldi.net 8 points 2 months ago

@mina @dantheclamman if so many people code for free, couldn't they have a simple Mastodon server run by a tech community? I think the actual leadership has no idea what Mozilla Foundation was.

[-] mina@berlin.social 13 points 2 months ago

@everton137

Running a simple Mastodon server is not a big thing.

Setting up a resilient big instance, like Vivaldi does, requires commitment.

@dantheclamman

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago

I mean vivaldi is 1/10th the size of mozilla and running a server 5x as large

[-] mina@berlin.social 13 points 2 months ago

@morrowind

Exactly! Mozilla wants people to know, they don't give a shit.

A few years of party for executives are still possible, and just before Firefox and Thunderbird go into oblivion, quickly into a new management position at an ai company (or whatever may be the hype, then).

Mark my words!

[-] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 months ago

It seems like the kind of thing the Foundation would run anyway (or sponsor as a separate project), rather than the Corporation being involved at all.

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Why does it matter that they don't run an instance? Most open source projects do not.

As long as they keep an account on an instance and keep it up to date, this is the main thing.

Hate is a strong emotional decision for a company making an internet browser....

[-] mina@berlin.social 3 points 2 months ago

@CrypticCoffee

Wasn't by far my only point.

However: Making a commitment and then pulling back, is a statement.

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

No. It's trying something. If company's get punished for investing and trying something, others won't even try in future. I respect they tried. If I was in charge, I wouldn't have bothered.

[-] mina@berlin.social 3 points 2 months ago

@CrypticCoffee

I wonder, how increasing CEO pay year by year worked out for them.

Certainly, definitely not in growing the user base, but also not in revenue that would make up it.

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Separate issue entirely. I'm talking specifically about Fediverse investment and why that was the final straw.

I thought the discussion was about that and not a "I hate Mozilla" greatest hits.

You can always throw in that Google fund them and a 10 year old bug that hasn't been resolved if that was your purpose.

I guess ranting can help you feel better, so I hope it helped.

[-] mina@berlin.social -1 points 2 months ago

@CrypticCoffee

You did not read the entire post you first replied to, did you?

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

I read it, just had nothing to add.

For the record, I disagree with the AI funding, CEO pay and pocket stuff. It doesn't make me hate them though. They build the biggest open source alternative to Google dictating standards for web. That's massive. I strongly dislike google for a multitude of reasons and hating a company that challenges that is a strange position to take. If Firefox goes, we're mega fucked.

Maybe place your anger with the actual bad actors in the browser space.

[-] 7dev7random7@suppo.fi 1 points 2 months ago

I am definitely starting to hate #Mozilla.

As a remark: I have always been fine with their deal with Pocket and having Google as their default search engine. In the end, there are bills to be paid.

Until I learned that e.g. Mozilla Corporation's CEO is on a multi-million dollar salary, and they're hiring ai and ad people.

Without having a say from him you are implying malicious intentions about the CEO. Which has given his actual, real Name to be in this position and so the anonym majority can provide their take. He put hisnentire career on it. Now wr could argue, that he still gets a decent job afterwards. But these are presumptions and not necessarly a representive Representation of his intentions at sign. I did non research if he has an history of climbing the latter by switching positions. Also job changes have to be interpreted to form an subjectivr opinion (We still wouldn't have heard his side which would neex to be verified).

Not OK for an entity where many highly skilled people code for free.

I once read in their blogs that the contribution percentage is very low. Which take part in the decision of inventing Rust.

It's not what users want the cash to be spent on.

Leaving the fediverse is saving money. Having such an input isn't providing any benefit to them. This is why I raise my comment.

Leaving the Fedi is the final drop

I also did erase my lemmy account. I have two left. But discussions to my liking are more objective and explorative until you truely can pinpoint the intentions of the dialogue partner.

So fuck this headline, I agree with them and you are shortsighted and doing unnecessary negative advertisement for them No benefit of the doubt.

You are actually playing with the existence if the last good player with impact.

this post was submitted on 17 Sep 2024
402 points (97.9% liked)

Firefox

17302 readers
40 users here now

A place to discuss the news and latest developments on the open-source browser Firefox

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS