101
submitted 1 day ago by yogthos@lemmy.ml to c/news@hexbear.net
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago

Everyone's economy is connected, however as Russia showed already, it's entirely possible to decouple for hostile economies. It's also worth noting that China is very much aware of the dangers here and have been massively diverting their trade away from G7 https://asiatimes.com/2024/05/2-words-explain-china-export-surge-global-south/

If China stops trade in dollars, then other countries will just start using yuan, or perhaps the BRICS currency will go online by then. Either way, this is not an insurmountable problem by any stretch of imagination.

Meanwhile, what ultimately matters is the relative damage to BRICS vs G7 economies. This is also what we're seeing playing out with the economic war on Russia where G7 economies are coming out worse off and as a result we're already seeing a lot political instability in Europe.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

I can't disagree with anything you've said, but I still feel that China might choose the route that alienates the least G7/ EU member states.

Even if some users here feel it's foolish for China to expect US "allies" to hold their own interests above Washington's, China might not burn trade deals that could jeopardize relationships with Europe. China is still working on expanding trade with the EU at the same time it's working with Russia and Iran.

China's interests don't 100% line up with its allies' interests. The US on the other hand expects its enemies to be the enemies of their allies as well, but China knows that doesn't need to be the case.

It could be that China tries to turn the trade war against the US by playing both sides, while the US will undoubtedly escalate. If it turns out to be the case, then this could further alienate Washington from their EU allies.

This paves the way for more Chinese trade and more expansion of the BRI into Europe, while simultaneously reducing Washington's influence on trade in the region.

Tldr: China taking the nuclear stop trade with us option is a possibility, but they might just play the long game so they can end up on everybody's (except US) good side 10-20 years down the line.

[-] coolusername@lemmy.ml 3 points 18 hours ago

exports only makes up 20% of China's GDP

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

I don't expect that China would burn trade deals with countries unless they have to either. However, I do think it's realistic for China to say that they wish further payments to happen in yuan the way Russia did with roubles after being frozen out of SWIFT. Europeans might grumble a bit about it, but when push comes to shove they have no choice but to go along with that.

The main problem for China is that if it continues to be reliant on SWIFT then it's exposed to financial warfare by the west. Hence, why I think China will want to avoid doing trade using western financial system as much as possible going forward.

So, I agree with you that China will likely be very surgical regarding what trade it cuts with the west entirely, I do expect it to nudge the countries it trades with to start increasing trading outside the dollar going forward.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

gold-communist in the end China will win

this post was submitted on 19 Sep 2024
101 points (98.1% liked)

news

23419 readers
590 users here now

Welcome to c/news! Please read the Hexbear Code of Conduct and remember... we're all comrades here.

Rules:

-- PLEASE KEEP POST TITLES INFORMATIVE --

-- Overly editorialized titles, particularly if they link to opinion pieces, may get your post removed. --

-- All posts must include a link to their source. Screenshots are fine IF you include the link in the post body. --

-- If you are citing a twitter post as news please include not just the twitter.com in your links but also nitter.net (or another Nitter instance). There is also a Firefox extension that can redirect Twitter links to a Nitter instance: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/libredirect/ or archive them as you would any other reactionary source using e.g. https://archive.today . Twitter screenshots still need to be sourced or they will be removed --

-- Mass tagging comm moderators across multiple posts like a broken markov chain bot will result in a comm ban--

-- Repeated consecutive posting of reactionary sources, fake news, misleading / outdated news, false alarms over ghoul deaths, and/or shitposts will result in a comm ban.--

-- Neglecting to use content warnings or NSFW when dealing with disturbing content will be removed until in compliance. Users who are consecutively reported due to failing to use content warnings or NSFW tags when commenting on or posting disturbing content will result in the user being banned. --

-- Using April 1st as an excuse to post fake headlines, like the resurrection of Kissinger while he is still fortunately dead, will result in the poster being thrown in the gamer gulag and be sentenced to play and beat trashy mobile games like 'Raid: Shadow Legends' in order to be rehabilitated back into general society. --

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS