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And whats your solution? This isn't like... throwing a rock through a window or graffiti tagging a wall. Consequences need to be swift, decisive, and ensure no one gets any ideas to copycat them.
What about the kids who are wrongfully accused, since all that's required here is someone reporting that you made a threat? Seems like a new avenue for bullies to exploit.
They can enjoy possibly multiple large piles of money off lawsuits. Unlikely in the case noted in the article though-
As if filing and winning a lawsuit is that easy or obtainable, not to mention this is after the damage is done and some innocent kid is completely ostracized from the community.
The kid was showing this stuff off so that means they were going to shoot a school up? This could easily describe some weeb who was trying to look cool and then had kids call him a school shooter. In my K-12 days 20+ years ago, the weird kids were constantly joked about as being potential school shooters. It only takes one person misinterpreting/hearing these jokes to ruin someone's life.
As if lawyers won't line up for the payday? C'mon now.
Also, in the current day and age, kids aren't randomly showing off their weapon collections that include knives and swords, because, obviously, the whole school shooter thing exists.
Lastly, what solution do you think is viable? I don't think a situation like this
Is tenable. Do you?
"Only country with multiple daily mass shootings and more rights for guns than for children wonders how it can solve its violence problem"
The rest of the g7 checking in here, with numbers so low as to be non-existent, despite some of us living 100mi from a border to the most casually-violent nation on the planet.
I'm a 10 minute drive from said country. Still no shootings.
Maybe lawyers would line up to bring a suit but you're still looking at a multi year case and potentially having to move to a new city and switch schools in the meantime. What does parading children in front of cameras solve when these kids are still considered innocent in the eyes of the law? Do you think someone legitimately planning an attack is going to be swayed by the possibility of being on TV or having their picture posted online and not the prison/death sentence that comes with an actual attack?
A viable solution is to pass laws that make it so guns aren't so plentiful and easy to obtain along with making it easier and cheaper to obtain mental healthcare, but that'll never happen. Everything else will just be a poorly thought-out bandaid that doesn't solve the root of the issue.
So not viable. Okay.
So because the proper solution is unlikely to happen, that makes any other ham-fisted approach a good idea? That's not really how things work.
If a nonviable and a viable solution are presented, yes that is how things work. You yourself admitted the solution you presented wouldn't work. May as well have suggested portable force fields. At least that sounds cool.
Maybe keeping the kids privacy will:
What does this humiliation do?
Remove a potential shooter from the field you mean?
Or let potential shooters know they aren't being ignored until they start blasting.
Jail can also provide treatment, without the possibility of them snapping and murdering people. Seems reasonable to me.
Identifying threats to society is "spiteful revenge" Do you think we should have referred to him as O.B.L. instead of Osama Bin Laden because he wasn't convicted yet to keep his anonymity? That it was "spiteful revenge" to let folks know who he was? Cmon now.
or stop a copycat killer.
who will be locked up and thus unable to act on those urges.
Least sensible of the lot. They'll be notorious for making threats and going to jail. Much preferrable to murder and jail.
This is a kid who’s been accused. There’s been no trial, no evidence, no conviction. He’s not been proven guilty of anything.
It’s a kid. Everywhere else kids have privacy by default. Publicizing the name of this kid is not justice nor any part of justice.
Even if he did it, we have no idea whether it was serious - calling a kid such a criminal before he’s convicted dies nothing prevent any crime
So we shouldn't take threats of shootings or bomb threats seriously now?
Wow. Just... wow.
You’re losing the plot here. The question is whether it’s ok to publicly post the identities of kids accused of a specific crime
Its a point you brought up and it warrants addressing.
It’s the title of this thread
The title of this thread isn't
Thats a point you made, and are now refusing to address. Twice now.
Does the article state that he was convicted of a serious threat and prove any sort of planning toward implementation?
It states he was arrested under allegations of it and multiple weapons were found. Pretty damn good indicator. To remind you: If the Appalachee guy (whos actions prompted the numerous threats the cop was following up on) had gotten arrested in a similar way multiple people would still be alive right now.
Your point?
So you agree we should get them for threats or threats with follow through. Glad to hear you've conceded the argument.
Ok, and?
So were the Columbine guys. Apparently being underage doesn't stop someone from shooting up a school. I can pull up more underage shooters, I'm sure you can too. The, "Oh its a kid" thing doesn't hold water.
Have to say I agree. This seems like a good deterrent. Not sure of the legality of it, but then “legality” is open to interpretation lately in the US.