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submitted 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) by Vampire@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

The left's main vulnerability is splitting and infighting. We are terrible at it. This is known.

To build revolutionary change, a revolutionary party is needed. It must do its work and carry on its work. In the military, they taught me that the number one priority is preserving your ability to fight. It's ok if you have setbacks, lose equipment or men or tactical position or advantage; but it's a catastrophe if you lose the capacity to fight.

Leftist infighting is what robs the movement of its ability to fight on. It kills the movements. (The Buddhists know this, and consider 'creating a schism in the sangha' the supreme sin. That's a tangent, but the Buddhists have maintained an ideological movement for 26 centuries so they're doing something right.)

We need to mock people who shame other leftists for impurity, who insult them for making mistakes. Liu Shaoqi said: "The attitude of some Party members towards these shortcomings and mistakes and towards those comrades who have incorrect ideas is one of “bitter hatred and gall”. They lightly sever all relations with comrades who have committed some mistake and whom they attempt to expel from the Party outright."

It is ok for comrades to make mistakes in action, and to have mistaken beliefs. That's the completely normal, inevitable part of having a movement. In fact, that's all a movement is: listening to people's beliefs, listening to their wrong beliefs, correcting them, unifying the thought of the party, unity makes strength. It is not ok to have incorrect ideas of “bitter hatred and gall”, and lightly sever all relations with comrades who have committed some mistake.

MAO MADE 30% MISTAKES, INCLUDING CAUSING THE BIGGEST FAMINE IN HUMAN HISTORY!!! If you can forgive that, you can forgive someone who made an off-colour tweet when they were a teenager.

People who try to cancel comrades for stuff they did/said in the distant past, or for non-core differences of opinion, are dong the imperialists work for them: dismantling the socialist movement.

PS: the aim is always to have a cohesive, united, strong movement with the correct views. Anything that serves the aim is good. Anything that wrecks the aim is bad.

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[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 40 points 18 hours ago

What I'm saying is that your anti-wrecking post contains wrecking.

In a nutshell what vampire's asking for is some sort of hexbear party line, which if taken seriously would yet again lead to a big site-wide argument and probably bannings because its trying to take what isn't a serious website in a serious direction.

my god, we've argued over stacking fucking rocks and are currently in a cold war over rule 8 of the dunk tank. I do not want to even remotely want to touch contentious theoretical topics - such as the sino-soviet difference on the concept of the national question and the right to self-determination. Also shut the fuck up we're not even going to talk about it, that's just something that would open pandoras box if the most arsonistic people got their hands on the concept - and have a gigantic shitflinging fest to end all gigantic shitflinging fests until in the name of wrecking wreckers for wrecking we stumble ourselves into a new gigantic shitflinging fest.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 7 points 11 hours ago

So you're saying we should have this argument, the website shuts down, and we all go touch grass, right?

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 25 points 18 hours ago

Struggle sessions struggle session

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 7 points 10 hours ago

How about snuggle sessions

[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 26 points 18 hours ago

tldr, this is a shitposting website. Taking strong stances on minute specifics and labeling anyone who disagrees goes against the whole picture of hogs with shit on their testicles thing.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 20 points 18 hours ago

I refuse to partake in any struggle session

[-] Roonerino@hexbear.net 22 points 17 hours ago

Unsurprising fence sitting cowardice from a man who stood around doing nothing while a portal to the realm of Mehrunes Dagon was shitting out monsters right next to his city.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 17 points 15 hours ago

boohoo communist city guard EXPOSED as HYPOCRITE!

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 23 points 18 hours ago

I’ll mark you down as anti-struggle sessions in the struggle sessions struggle session then

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 18 points 17 hours ago

This is wrecker behavior!

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago

i-love-not-thinking LOOK AT THE TIME! what-time-is-it

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