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I mean call me crazy but I feel like a minister from a country trying to justify why he doesn't see internationally recognized countries as actual countries is pretty Onion-y to me. The icing on top is that it's coming from a minister in a country known for illegally stealing land and re-defining their own borders against international law.
No, not particularly Onioney.
I get where you're coming from but if we follow that logic then majority of the posts on this community about Trump and his MAGA fanatics would be disqualified. Just because ridiculous is the norm for these people doesn't mean we stop calling it out.
tbf, Trump says a lot more random, off-the-wall shit than Israel does. Israel isn't very random, much more cold and calculated. Not very satire-like.
That's not what the purpose of this community though. The purpose is to have headlines that can pass as a satirical one from The Onion at first glance. To me this fits the definition.
If you say so. To me that requires an expectation that this would be unusual, something that would catch the eye as notable, instead of just being perfectly in-line with the norms of the time.
Don't normalize this kind of behavior and accept it. You're just asking to be gaslit and enables them to be more bold in their next statements. It's not a coincidence this statement came out just as Israel launches the deadliest attack on Lebanon in 15 years and telling the inhabitants to move out or face death. Ridicule and shame them for every outlandish statement they preach. Every. Single. One.
I don't really do the shame thing, it doesn't work whatsoever on the shameless, which is a very high percentage of the global population unfortunately.
Regardless, the question is not whether we're normalizing it, but whether it is their pattern of behavior or not. Not that it's acceptable, but that it's predictable. Just because they don't act how other people act doesn't mean everything they say seems like satire. Imo at least.
It's not the country's he's talking about. It's the little areas of remote territory along Israel's borders, that while technically part of those countries, they don't resemble a country at all. There is no legit government. There is no law enforcement. There are no courts of law. They are essentially unincorporated territories held variously by local militias and tribes.
If Lebanon and Syria want to claim this territory as part of their country, they have to actually make it a part of a country, bring it under the jurisdiction of their law. Be legitimate leadership. Work towards the betterment of the people whose charge they claim.
Israel is not going to let it be surrounded by lawless territory that Iran uses to stage attacks against Israel, certainly not while Iran is over there trying to cook up nuclear material to make dirty bombs.
If you took even fifteen seconds to actually listen to the argument that's being made, instead of only half, understanding it and rushing to an emotional judgment, you'd realize it doesn't sound like The Onion at all. It's an argument made by people all over the world, especially as to Gaza, for example, and, guess what? It's a legit argument.
Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon, and sort of Syria, are not quite failed States, because they do still have a seat of power within their countries, and they do project that power to a limited extent. But they do not project it into these lawless border territories. And so when you have essentially gangs and terror cells, pretending to be legitimate political entities, how many suicide bombings, rocket attacks, and mass shootings must your neighbors abide before they bring their law to your territories? FAFO.
The historical term for such territories is irredenta, meaning unredeemed or unclaimed.
Every wonder why? Here's a little hint:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/4/15/mapping-israel-lebanon-cross-border-attacks
Notice the number of attacks by Israel is over 5 times the amount compared to Hezbollah. This is exactly how Israel operates. Destabilize a region forcing the inhabitants to leave then move in and claim it's part of their territory. Then once the actual native population try to have it back, they cry victim and massacre them in the name of self defense. They're already trying to settle areas in Gaza and the West Bank. It's not a coincidence this statement appeared just as Israel launches the deadliest attack in Lebanon in the past 15 years and tells them to leave or face death.
The Golan Heights would like a word with you.
Love your casual use of the word lawless as if that indicates a lack of morality and a justification to settle territory that belongs to another nation.
I'm not being emotional and claiming a country doesn't exist or it's territories don't belong to it is not a legit argument. Don't try and gaslight the situation here.
You ever stop to consider why these countries are struggling to retain control? Countries like Iraq that got decimated and completely destabilized by the US under the false pretense of WMD's? Each country you listed can have it's destabilization traced back to foreign interference by foreign countries like the US and Israel. Destabilizing an entire region then calling it "lawless" and justifying the theft of the land for your own benefit is not a valid argument. This approach should be shamed and ridiculed just as we are doing here.
I would agree with you if he would be talking about the border regions alone. But he is (at least in the translations), speaking about the whole countries not being a country because of those border regions. And that is stupid and Oniony.
Border regions not being under the control of the central government is a legitimate thing to criticize the countries for, but not a reason to call them not countries. Otherwise Ukraine would also not be a country by that definition, since it doesn't control all their regions currently.