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[-] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Why do you believe that anti-drug propaganda only began in the 20th century?

No. But the vast vast majority did.

People were playing around with electricity in ancient Greece as well. (Electricity coming from the word for amber, even). But if you asked someone "when electricity was invented", I'm sure you wouldn't even think of anything before 1600.

Do you have anything other than wikipedia links to back your stance up? Say, a real study done on the impacts of anti-drug propaganda through the ages which demonstrates that the 20th century was the most militant with it?

"Other than Wikipedia links"

You do realise Wikipedia puts down sources, right?

"Do you have proof that the ground was dry before it starter raining, despite the rain having started decades before you were born?"

If you're honestly interested, you can find tons of literature. Foremost though for figuring out what most people think; speaking to them. Like I said, I've spoken to thousand of people about this. That isn't anecdotal, that is hard data I have, but I understand you won't accept it.

You can see how some prohibition of cannabis began in the 19th century due to Egyptian cotton farmers wanting to get bigger market share. This was then copied to America with the 1937 Marihuana tax act, and later they'd push the laws through UN who'd make them global because of US pressure.

Do you think the people in India would've ever voted to criminalise cannabis? For the whole century it's been banned, it's been ridiculous. All the cops who arrest people for it smoke.

There's literally actual tons of material on this stuff.

https://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/reports/the-war-on-drugs

The global war on drugs has failed, with devastating consequences for individuals and societies around the world. Fifty years after the initiation of the UN Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, and 40 years after President Nixon launched the US government's wr on drugs, fundamental reforms in national and global drug control policies are urgently needed. In this seminal report, the Global Commission on Drug Policy calls on global leaders to join an open discussion on drug policy reform.

And are you a bit thick if you're saying that these attitudes have always been with humans, when literally everything shows you they haven't? The Great Binge itself is proof UK and US both having enjoyed the pharmaceuticals at the turn of the 20th century. And again, those were opiates and cocaine.

I'm talking shrooms and weed.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

People were playing around with electricity in ancient Greece as well. (Electricity coming from the word for amber, even). But if you asked someone “when electricity was invented”, I’m sure you wouldn’t even think of anything before 1600.

"The word comes from the Greek elektron (“amber”); the Greeks discovered that amber rubbed with fur attracted light objects such as feathers. Such effects due to stationary charges, or static electricity, were the first electrical phenomena to be studied."

https://www.britannica.com/summary/electricity

Here is something to help you in understanding more about the topic of magnetism, static electricity, and what the ancient Greeks were talking about regarding both.

https://worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789813223776_0001

I am curious why you believe any of that is relevant to a discussion about Anti-drug propaganda.

I’ve spoken to thousand of people about this. That isn’t anecdotal

Yes it is. Literally the definition of "anecdotal".

anecdotal, Adjective, "Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."

You are free to provide your study about the thousand individuals you interviewed with the same questions regarding anti-drug propaganda to demonstrate it is in fact not anecdotal.

If you’re honestly interested, you can find tons of literature.

Name 10 books on the subject including the authors.

Did you ever stop to think that the propaganda you speak of is directly influenced by exactly what steeznson was speaking about?

Why do you believe that anti-drug propaganda only began in the 20th century?

Do you have anything other than wikipedia links to back your stance up? Say, a real study done on the impacts of anti-drug propaganda through the ages which demonstrates that the 20th century was the most militant with it?

Do you know what Religion is, and its impacts on anti-drug mentalities predating the 20th century?

Feel free to actually answer my questions, and try to keep personal attacks like this

And are you a bit thick if you’re saying that these attitudes have always been with humans

out of it.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

You're not aware of prohibitions and now surrendered your whole "do you think there weren't any drug prohibitions before the 20th century" point, because I actually know the topic, and you don't.

Yes it is. Literally the definition of “anecdotal”.

It would be... but...

“Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis.”

... unless I actually did it systemically and collected results, which I have done. Amateurish, yes, but still not casual. Would you like to see my files? They're in Finnish, with my own notation about what people respond with. It's honestly baffling how small the options are for people, and how they all think they're actually making a point, with some idiotic bullshit like "I don't want my doctor operating on me while they're on drugs" or some other completely ridiculous propaganda bullshit from some "Just Say No" campaign. I could draw a flowchart on an A4, wouldn't even need an A3, lol.

Name 10 books on the subject including the authors.

First let me say that everyone knows you're trying to set impossible goals, because you know you don't have a leg to stand on in this debate, so you think a number you pull out your arse means anything, but I will give you literature on the subject, as requested, because I've actually fucking studied this for probably longer than you've been alive, despite you thinking I haven't and am some random druggie — something which is all too common when you bring up the subject. People like you get what are essentially panic attacks when asked to question the propaganda programmed into their heads. It must be a horrible feeling, when being asked a question you've just claimed to be 100% sure about, to realise that you don't actually have any reasons to believe what you believe and that you have no idea why you believe it, but you do know that you MUST NOT QUESTION IT.

Probably the best book is "Good Cop, Bad War" by Neil Woods:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Cop-Bad-Neil-Woods/dp/1785034758

Obviously you won't even open that link, let alone buy a book, let alone READ IT. (Not to mention doing it for 10 books hahaha). So here, have a Youtube video with the author (who is a former drug cop) How Drug Gangs Actually Work | How Crime Works | Insider

All of those "How Crime Works" by Insider related to drugs are actually fantastic watches, deeply recommend them for people like you to open your eyes.

The Cato Institute also write well on the subject and have actual data as well: https://www.cato.org/cato-handbook-policymakers/cato-handbook-policymakers-9th-edition-2022/war-drugs#repeal-controlled-substances-act

I mean, ofc there's Mr. Nice as well, which might be on your level and tons of other drug-war adjacent books, but this is about what actual reality and science have to say about the drug war, not reading through the memento's of some insanely rich druglords.

If you're defending the prohibition of drugs, you're either ignorant on the subject, or you're actively supporting organized crime / making money off the situation. Literally. There is no other alternative. You're in the group which is ignorant of it, because you're brainwashed to even avoid information on the subject.

https://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/world-leaders-call-for-legalisation-of-drugs

See most the things I read on the topic are actually studies or news, not books. You know scientific studies are "literature", right? Anyway, the Good Cop, Bad War was the most recent one I read about the actual politics. I seriously suggest it, might wash that propaganda off your noggin.

There's literally not a single person who understands the topic and doesn't realise there is NO WAY that the prohibition will EVER work. Look at how the prohibition of alcohol went, then recall the saying "history repeats itself."

Now, since I've more or less done what you've asked and answered your points, how about you stop ignoring my rhetoric and extend me the same courtesy? So... ANY science at all that says that drug prohibition is actually doing what it's supposed to? Any science at all saying decriminalisation/legalisation is bad for society? ANY at all? Oh there isn't? Not ONE? Wow, I'm so shocked, if only I could've seen this coming, eh?

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You’re not aware of prohibitions and now surrendered your whole “do you think there weren’t any drug prohibitions before the 20th century” point, because I actually know the topic, and you don’t.

Logical Fallacy.

… unless I actually did it systemically and collected results, which I have done. Amateurish, yes, but still not casual. Would you like to see my files? They’re in Finnish, with my own notation about what people respond with. It’s honestly baffling how small the options are for people, and how they all think they’re actually making a point, with some idiotic bullshit like “I don’t want my doctor operating on me while they’re on drugs” or some other completely ridiculous propaganda bullshit from some “Just Say No” campaign. I could draw a flowchart on an A4, wouldn’t even need an A3, lol.

Oh look more logical fallacy with a heavy sprinkle of personal attack. I have a purple unicorn, but I cannot show it to you. Just trust me.

First let me say that everyone knows you’re trying to set impossible goals, because you know you don’t have a leg to stand on in this debate, so you think a number you pull out your arse means anything, but I will give you literature on the subject, as requested, because I’ve actually fucking studied this for probably longer than you’ve been alive, despite you thinking I haven’t and am some random druggie — something which is all too common when you bring up the subject. People like you get what are essentially panic attacks when asked to question the propaganda programmed into their heads. It must be a horrible feeling, when being asked a question you’ve just claimed to be 100% sure about, to realise that you don’t actually have any reasons to believe what you believe and that you have no idea why you believe it, but you do know that you MUST NOT QUESTION IT.

Everyone knows I am setting impossible goals?

https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=drug+prohibition&i=stripbooks&crid=2FSM60LK4GVDJ&sprefix=drug+prohibition%2Cstripbooks%2C185&ref=nb_sb_noss

Here are 254 results for books regarding "Drug prohibition".

People like me? You don't know anything about me. It would help if you responded in good faith by answering the questions posed, and maybe asking some of your own.

Honestly the logical fallacy and personal attacks have become quite tiresome.

If you’re defending the prohibition of drugs, you’re either ignorant on the subject, or you’re actively supporting organized crime / making money off the situation. Literally. There is no other alternative. You’re in the group which is ignorant of it, because you’re brainwashed to even avoid information on the subject.

Show me where I said I support drug prohibition. Also, more logical fallacy.

Now, since I’ve more or less done what you’ve asked and answered your points, how about you stop ignoring my rhetoric and extend me the same courtesy? So… ANY science at all that says that drug prohibition is actually doing what it’s supposed to? Any science at all saying decriminalisation/legalisation is bad for society? ANY at all? Oh there isn’t? Not ONE? Wow, I’m so shocked, if only I could’ve seen this coming, eh?

I think I have explicitly demonstrated how you have not answered a single question, and fell back on logical fallacy and personal attacks numerous times. I never made a claim in support of drug prohibition.

You are not worth any further time. Feel free to write another novel in the comments.

Fair warning, it will be ignored.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

You’re not aware of prohibitions and now surrendered your whole “do you think there weren’t any drug prohibitions before the 20th century” point, because I actually know the topic, and you don’t.

Logical Fallacy.

Oh, you're one of those.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

It is entirely possible to make a claim that is false yet argue with logical coherency for that claim, just as it is possible to make a claim that is true and justify it with various fallacies and poor arguments.

Everyone knows I am setting impossible goals?

In the sense of arbitrary goals which mean absolutely nothing and which you never expected me to fulfill anyway. Almost as if you didn't ask that in... good faith. Oh great master debater, perhaps you need to check the basics of rhetoric again? https://cssah.famu.edu/departments-and-centers/visual-arts-humanities-and-theatre/philosophy-and-religion/ctresources/Argument%20Basics.docx

I said I support drug prohibition

"What's an implication"

I think I have explicitly demonstrated how you have not answered a single question

You literally have not. You've engaged in bad faith bullshit, while thinking you have some gothas. I'm more and more certain that I've been arguing this longer than you've actually been alive. (Like 95% sure.)

Feel free to write another novel in the comments.

"Help me, I'm pretending to be smart but also, I can't read anything that's more than three phrases!"

You literally can not even question your attitude towards the subject due to propaganda.

I linked literature just like you asked. Perhaps it doesn't matter, because you didn't ask in good faith, and are just a thrashy pseudointellectual kid who's pretending to argue a thing they know nothing about, while thinking writing "fallacy" means something, while pretending their implications don't exist.

Git gud nob

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Perhaps it doesn’t matter, because you didn’t ask in good faith, and are just a thrashy pseudointellectual kid who’s pretending to argue a thing they know nothing about, while thinking writing “fallacy” means something, while pretending their implications don’t exist.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/projection

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