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[-] thejevans@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

It doesn't, but for me anyway, the implications of another Trump presidency or Republicans controlling both houses are terrifying.

People can live with some traffic or construction woes as we struggle for a better transportation system.

There are real differences between Republican and Democrat control that will have serious impacts on healthcare, climate change, and the courts, on top of the awful shit that both parties do.

I hate that I'm voting the way I am because I'm more scared of one candidate than the other, but each year is crucial for climate change, and 4 years of a gutted EPA is reeeeeeaaaaallllly bad.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 month ago

And the Dems will not save us. They will not do what is necessary, ever, because they are funded by similar to even the same groups.

If the Dems will not and cannot save us, if we have a gaping bullet wound and all they can offer is a wet band-aid, then we must find another solution.

[-] thejevans@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sure, they're not some savior, but they won't gut the EPA, the might not replace Laila Khan, they won't continue to fill the courts with extremely right-wing judges which will take decades to overcome, they might be able to replace Chevron deference with legislation, and they might be able to put some protections into place for abortion access and healthcare for trans people.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Our voting system is first past the post which means there are only two political parties, Republican or Democrat. If you happen to like the Republican or Democrat congratulations you get to actually vote for someone. For the rest of us our only option is voting against someone. If you hate the Republican more vote Democrat. If you hate the Democrat more vote Republican. If you don't actually care whether the Democrat or Republican wins you can abstain by either staying home or voting 3rd party, the outcome is identical either way.

If you don't like this there is exactly one solution and that's supporting efforts to get rid of first past the post voting, anything else is useless.

If the Dems will not and cannot save us, if we have a gaping bullet wound and all they can offer is a wet band-aid, then we must find another solution.

I'll take the wet bandaid over the guy reloading to finish the job thank you very much.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Our voting system is first past the post which means there are only two political parties, Republican or Democrat.

Wrong.

If you happen to like the Republican or Democrat congratulations you get to actually vote for someone.

You'd also be a genocidal demon.

For the rest of us our only option is voting against someone.

Yep, hence why it's important to vote for Greens or PSL.

If you hate the Republican more vote Democrat. If you hate the Democrat more vote Republican.

Neither are acceptable for Humanity.

If you don't actually care whether the Democrat or Republican wins you can abstain by either staying home or voting 3rd party, the outcome is identical either way.

Liberals will work themselves into logical fallacies in order to justify their own votes for genocidal regimes.

If you don't like this there is exactly one solution and that's supporting efforts to get rid of first past the post voting, anything else is useless.

I agree, we need a revolution. Electoralism is useless.

I'll take the wet bandaid over the guy reloading to finish the job thank you very much.

And you'll be dead in the same amount of time.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Gotcha so you're abstaining this election. That's fine and your choice not to vote, but it also means you don't get to complain if Trump wins (or Harris for that matter).

As long as we have first past the post, we will never have a 3rd party candidate win.

And you'll be dead in the same amount of time.

If you honestly believe Harris would do as much damage to this country as Trump would, you're either one of the dumbest people I've ever met and there's nothing more to say, or you just woke up from a coma that started in 2016 and haven't caught up on anything that happened since then.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Gotcha so you're abstaining this election. That's fine and your choice not to vote, but it also means you don't get to complain if Trump wins (or Harris for that matter).

I absolutely get to complain if either of those genocidal monsters win, I will be voting but not for either of them.

As long as we have first past the post, we will never have a 3rd party candidate win.

With liberals like you? Sadly, you might be right.

If you honestly believe Harris would do as much damage to this country as Trump would

And the entire Global South that the US razes for profits, the US is the world's largest Empire.

you're either one of the dumbest people I've ever met and there's nothing more to say, or you just woke up from a coma that started in 2016 and haven't caught up on anything that happened since then.

Neither, I'm fully aware of what awful monsters both Harris and Trump are.

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