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They aren't, they're calling attention to it and directly saying "this should be illegal!". It's not subtle, it's a pitch to point out that this should not be allowed.
However the website with the info (https://apologize.lol) now links to their other thing and I wonder if they are working through some legal concerns, lol.
There are ways to say it should be illegal without normalizing the practice.
It should be illegal to use dark money in campaigns. That doesn't mean I want them to start being part of that.
When The Satanic Temple starts putting Baphomet statues in government buildings or their clergy members in schools it does not normalize the process. It's them saying "these are the rules? Then we're going to push them as far as they go to show you how absurd that is and get you to change the rules."
And that has also achieved nothing since Louisiana has mandated a specific set of Ten Commandments be displayed in school and Oklahoma wants every school kid to read from the Trump Bible.
Satire is funny. I enjoy it. I enjoy both that and this on that level.
But TST didn't change things. It's gotten worse. We've become, as a nation, more Christian when we shouldn't be. Meaningful change will not happen while Republicans are in power, and they have gamed the system so that they will likely retain congressional and judicial power in perpetuity.
Sure, but thing's haven't gotten worse as a result of what TST is doing, and they aren't being normalized because of what CAH is doing. You're right, it's fucked up. You know it's fucked up, I know it's fucked up, CAH keeps saying "it's fucked up that we can do this." The point is to keep telling people "This is fucked up". Not responding to what Musk is doing would normalize it more than shining a light on it.
Doing what he is doing is not the only way to respond to it.
No, but it is an effective way. Other ways should be done as well.
Effective how? Again, you need a non-Republican congress and a non-Republican judiciary to have an effect. And that is not what we have and it is not what we will have for the foreseeable future due to gerrymandering and court stacking. Spreading awareness doesn't do a thing when the people at the top don't care what anyone but billionaires like Musk think.
How do you get non-republicans in positions to fix these things without spreading awareness of what Republicans are allowing?
What non-Republicans in position to fix these things? Who are these non-Republicans with a majority in congress and control of the judiciary?
I could see the point being to spread the information on what is happening so that (hopefully) we could elect more people who would do something about it. There are some elections coming up where, theoretically, the power could shift. There's also lobbying our congresspeople, which can have an effect if enough people do it. The power of incumbency, uninformed voters, etc... make this a shitty situation, to be sure. I'm still trying to have hope that enough people pushing for change can find success. If not, I'll just be cynical at the bleak prospects of life.
I say all that to say, we should fight however we can, but definitely keep pushing forward!
Taking the high road has been working like such a fuckin banger since 2008, we should definitely continue doing it!
Alternatively:
Do every borderline legal thing to win or make these things illegal by mutual agreement. It's stupid to play by the rules when youre the only one doing it.
You want to gerrymander? Cool, let's go. You want to force court appointments? Game on. You want to stack the supreme court(s)? Hold. My. Beer.
Sometime right around clinton's impeachment, it became clear we are not playing in good faith anymore, and adding more good faith after 20 years isn't fixing it. It's time to draw some political blood, and this CAH business is the most softcore possible way of doing that.
It's satire, and it's borderline genius. The actual campaign text would probably change your opinion, it is very deliberately telling people to tweet about how it should be illegal. They give you exact text to post about how it should be illegal. It's the opposite of normalizing. Ostracizing? Idk
ETA: one of the many other things I like about it is they explain very succinctly how it works. Form a SuperPAC, buy the data from a data broker, act barely (but strictly) within the law. It really feels like one of the few serious pushes back I've seen, it's way more positive than you're thinking.
It's not satire if they actually pay people. It's just doing it in the name of satire. Very different.
Satire can take action in its execution. A man with a tuba following a nazi march is satire mixed with action.
You don't like money in politics, and this is still money in politics. That's a different and valid complaint, but this is still effective satire.
Effectiveness in what way though? If Republicans retain control of congress, which they probably will due to gerrymandering, this won't change.
As I said, I appreciate the satire and I agree with their point. I just think this is more likely to achieve the opposite of what they want.
Specifically the language seemed intended to troll such that Republicans miss the satire (not hard), get angry about the fucked up campaign finance situation, and then we can all say "yeah this has to change". I understand skepticism about achieving that, but it's a coherent goal and strategy, and I'm very enthusiastic that we're getting actual real pushback from somewhere. I'm not gonna tear it down in any way, I think it's fantastic and I want to see more clever, patriotic efforts to drag into public view the ugliness we've allowed to take root.
I just don't see why they would get angry when Musk is promising to pay them.
In fact, that's what they say every time they get mad at something they think is unfair that they think the left is doing: "we get to do it too."
For someone who seems to really want more left leaning stuff in our politics...you just seem to have dug your heels in on this one, without knowing very much about it. Every answered question or corrected assumption produces yet another, smaller complaint. This thing they're doing is good. Even if it's flawed, so what. It's good. So few things are.
I'm out, cheers.
My complaint has remained exactly the same since the beginning: they will not achieve their goal, Republicans don't care, they want this normalized. This helps them. The only thing that will change this is if congress and the judiciary aren't on Musk's side. They are and they will be thanks to gerrymandering and a stacked court system.
There is zero chance that Musk's bullshit would be shutdown if this didn't draw more attention to it.
Who is going to shut it down regardless? You would need congress and the judiciary. Good luck with that, they're on Musk's side.
Yea - they are on Musk's side - they aren't on Cards Against Humanity's side... if precedent is set against CAH then it can weaponized against Musk... this whole thing is CAH trying to get a clear ruling that this bullshit is illegal.
And I'm saying that this is a Republican judiciary that is on Musk's side, so they won't rule it illegal.
I take exception to the argument that people shouldn't do what they think is right, because odds are stacked against them.
When did I say they can't do it? They can do whatever they want. And I can criticize what I don't think is effective.
You call to mind MLK Jr's talk of moderates. "I agree with the goals you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action."
If you're criticizing a movement based on whether or not you feel it will be effective, you're ultimately only helping those who disagree.
Are you saying I have no right to criticize as I see fit?
I think you've got a right to criticize but your criticism isn't, itself, beyond criticism. We're on a pretty permissive forum where a lot of speech is allowed - I'd be deeply disappointed if a mod banned you for thinking this is a terrible idea (since your statement isn't hateful or delivered in a hateful manner), but you certainly might get pushback.
True. Too bad you decided to insult me by insinuating I would be a person who would work against civil rights activism rather than criticize what I said. And because you did that, I'm not particularly interested in any criticism you might have. Ignoring you is also a right, which is what I will proceed to do. Toodles.
Oh, I'm not them - their words also aren't beyond criticism.
My apologies.
And in that case CAH is offering more money anyways. The hope is everyone realizes it's dumb, the fallback is to do the clearly illegal shit better than them.
"It's normal because cards against humanity did it"
Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
That would be deranged, and so would I be... if that's what I had said. What I said was normalizing. It is a different word.
Here, I'll help you: thinks that are normal are not normalizing.
Similarly, a rising elevator hasn't already risen.
So are you saying cah can't do this because it may be misinterpreted by utterly deranged people? Should we just give up then? Anything can be misinterpreted if the interpreter is deranged enough.
Also, I don't know what you mean with "a rising elevator hasn't already risen" but such an elevator would experience infinite jolt and would thus be physically impossible, except maybe if the elevator was a photon or something.
I said nothing about what they cannot do.
They can do whatever they like.
You keep claiming I said things I never said. I didn't say CAH has made bribing voters normal and I didn't say they can't do this.
Perhaps you'd prefer to talk to Flying Squid rather than whoever you think you're talking to?
"You keep claiming I said things I never said"
That's... literally not something I did. You're literally claiming I said things I didn't by saying I claim you said things you didn't. I never claimed anything about what you said.
Can you really not be honest for even one post?
Here is you lying about me saying it's normal. In context:
Here is you lying about me saying they can't do it. In context:
I really don't know what you hope to gain with all of these lies.
Neither of these are claims about what you said? The second one isn't even a claim? I was and am genuinely confused as to what you're trying to say?
You really can't be honest at all. Amazing.
Do you think I'm calling you deranged in the first comment? Honestly? That's your take from what I've written?
On the off chance that you're serious, let me explain it to you.
If someone reads about cah doing something, and they are like "well I guess that's normal now" they are deranged.
You can't account for deranged people.
We should not take into account what these people think.
For all non deranged people this draws attention to and de-normalises the practice. I'm not the first person in your own replies explaining this to you.
Buddy... Your on the internet here. You haven't even been honest in a post.
What are you even talking about?
If your coming to a psudo-anonymous forum looking for honesty, your looking for a bad time.
What does anonymity have to do with honesty?
People are often more honest when they can't be identified specifically for that reason. All the monsters come out.