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One year on. Hundreds of thousands are dying or dead, millions are displaced, the Middle East is undergoing its greatest changes in a generation, Iran has directly attacked Israel twice in one year, and Yemen has proven that the US Navy ain't worth shit. We are the closest we have been to nuclear war (discounting accidents) in decades, but also the fall of Israel.

Because one day, the prisoners of a concentration camp paraglided over a wall.


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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

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https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Venat@hexbear.net 76 points 4 months ago

I've seen a lot of articles and youtube videos about how this war triggered Israel's death throes, and the parallels between Israel and apartheid South Africa & Rhodesia, but those media which highlighted the internal contradictions of Israel, its collapsing economy and international standing, often overlook how desperate the US is to have a satellite state in the West Asia enough to brazenly establish its support for Israel.

All this, despite the damage to US prestige and diplomatic credibility (notwithstanding that the US state does not nor needs to care about internal dissident or crisis) because the US can brute force its support and suffer little to no economic or political repercussions.

Israel is a nuclear powered state with very powerful supporters in the US and Europe, as part of a symbiotic relationship these powers have with each other, to ensure the economic and political dominance of the larger political community known as the "West".

My larger concern is what Norman Finkelstein has been saying recently: Israel has defeated Hamas in Gaza by destroying Gaza itself. Therefore, the probability that Israel has the power and support needed to enact its depraved agenda of ethnic cleansing and genocide, and survive its repercussions on the world stage for a decade before it goes back to the status quo of pre October 7th, is a very plausible future.

Israel has managed to pursue this for over a year now.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 45 points 4 months ago

Israel has defeated Hamas in Gaza by destroying Gaza itself.

This is incorrect. Hamas is stronger than ever. Gaza is in ruins but the people are not dead. Worst case estimates say that after a year of unchecked genocide 10% of Gazans are dead. Israel doesn't have 10 years. Now that isisrael are invading Lebanon they have to split their resources, resources that were already lower due to the damage Hamas inflicted. usa's ability to produce bombs is not unlimited. Their stockpiles of many other things are already tapped. usa can help but not much because they want to have a war with China.

The only thing defeated by the destruction of Gaza is the idea that the western liberal world order was "fair" or "just" and not just bloodthirsty racial supremacy.

When isisrael is defeated Gazans wont need Gaza because they will be able to go home.

[-] blame@hexbear.net 44 points 4 months ago

Unlike Ukraine it's difficult to see an exit ramp for Israel. They've escalated things so far and seem so ideologically committed to the destruction of west asia that it's hard to see them in any state but perpetual war until there's a decisive victor one way or the other. I'm sure the US will continue to support them until whatever outcome but the US is not omnipotent and a future with China as the hegemon (for lack of a better word) seems baked in at this point. I agree that Israel's war will continue for a lot longer than any of us expect but I don't think there's going to be any return to the status quo. In fact I don't think there's going to be any return to the status quo for a lot of things. The balance is shifting geopolitically and ecologically.

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago

There will never be a return to the status quo. Look at 2014, to 2016, to 2020, to 2024. It's only escalation of crises. Nowhere is it returning to "normal" and it won't. The imperialist engine cannot stop until it consumes everything or is defeated.

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 4 months ago

I'd compare it more to Fr*nch Algeria, Fr-nce was a collapsing emoire and Algeria was a part of it rather than a colony.

[-] fever@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago

I disagree with Norman, you can't destroy Gaza without defeating Hamas and removing its people. Israelis can't even park their tanks there let alone building homes.

[-] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 48 points 4 months ago

By some estimates they've killed 1/4 of the population by now; the grim reality is they can just continue doing what they're doing for another few years and the genocide will be complete. It's up to the rest of the region, and the world, to find a way to stop things before it gets to that point. The pressure is definitely having an impact but there's still so many different outcomes possible, everything from total genocide to a wave of revolutions in the region to world war 3, and more that none of us have thought of.

[-] fever@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago
[-] m532@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago

How do they "win" when they kill everyone? They don't gain anything from this. They won't get a victory screen when they kill more people.

Also, they can't go back. They just started a 4-front war. They will never go back ever. Liberals always double down. They'd sooner declare war on China than go back.

[-] Venat@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

That is a fair point, but Israel is trying to get the US military officially involved, far beyond the current capacity that it is now, to overwhelm and intimidate their enemies in West Asia into compliance and submission. Israel's gambit of making the outcome of their existential crisis synonymous with US hegemonic influence is a viable strategy to ensure Israel survives the outcome of this crisis, even if it has to be on US life support.

(I guess my parent post is a plea to be "counter-Finkelstein-pilled" regarding his analysis on Gaza. )

[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

You (and Finklestein by extention) aren't really thinking about what "direct us involvement" that is somehow massively beyond what it already doing really means and how limited it really is. The United States is not a god and cannot simply wish for its enemies to vanish. If you really cannot help yourself from seeing the resistance in Gaza and Lebanon as finished (you didn't mention Hezbollah but they also have to defeated for Hamas to be truly finished) if nothing else, the "status quo" you are worried about basically involves Iran vanishing in less time then it took for the united states to fail to completely control iraq and to run away from Afganistan saigon-style. There is no real path to that happening without magic or humanity in its entirety being a month at best away from extinction. You need keep reminding your brain that all the members of resistance axis are at least as effective at combat as the Taliban.

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

How do they "win" when they kill everyone? They don't gain anything from this. They won't get a victory screen when they kill more people.

Seems obvious to me, the purpose is to kill them all to take the land, they proud themselves on taking occupied Palestinian homes since day one.

The victory condition is clear, kill everyone and take the land, use the land to create a greater zionist state and use that as an even stronger foothold to cleanse the rest of the ME.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

the zionists are living in fantasyland to think Gaza being theirs could turn this shit around. what, they'd get to build offshore oil rigs in a decade or two? how is that going to replace the people and materiel it loses to take it? the increased costs demanded by ongoing war because it's opened more fronts to 'facilitate' the first one?

nazis all seem to think they can kickstart the centuries-long historical process of settler colonialism on the timeline of a military campaign

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

the zionists are living in fantasyland to think Gaza being theirs could turn this shit around. what, they'd get to build offshore oil rigs in a decade or two? how is that going to replace the people and materiel it loses to take it?

Nobody ever accused fascists of being remotely rational or sane.

But at the same time a settler colonial project fundamentally includes land occupation, its the #1 requirement.

[-] m532@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

And when that "victory condition" is achieved, what then? Do they get a victory screen and go to naziheaven? Or do they just get another barrage of iranian missiles in the face?

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

2nd paragraph is the epitome of easier said than done.

They can take the land. They're boned. They can't even defeat Hamas which is necessary to take the land.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago

Israel is at its weakest moment and continues to get weaker; there will be no return to the status quo, nor even an attempt to do so.

Do not mistake the desperate flailing and biting of a terminally wounded animal with a leg torn off and an arrow in its side as a sign of strength and power.

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